My First Gear List
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Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
My First Gear List on 12/09/2008 16:56:46 MST Print View

This is my first attempt at weighing everything and putting it into a spreadsheet. I'm going on a 26 mile two day trip in a couple of weeks in VA. Any input on dropping some weight without sacrificing safety would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a ton.

Backpacking Gear List
Oz. Quantity Pounds Comments

Pack
Gossamer Gear Mariposa Plus Pack 20.5 1 1.28

TOTAL WEIGHT PACK 1.28


Shelter
Titanium Stakes 0.5 6 0.17
Gossamer Gear Polycro Ground Sheet Medium 1.7 1 0.10
Six Moon Designs Gatewood Cape with Guy lines11.2 1 0.70 Doubles as rain gear

TOTAL WEIGHT SHELTER 0.98


Sleep System
Jacks 'R' Better Compression Sack 1.3 1 0.08
Jacks 'R' Better No Sniveler Quilt 22.3 1 1.40
Jacks 'R' Better Hood 2.5 1 0.16
Jacks 'R' Better Sleeves 5.3 1 0.33
Jacks 'R' Better Weather Shield Top 8.7 1 0.55
Gossamer Gear NightLight Sleeping Pad Torso Length 3.4 1 0.21
Emergency Blanket in Bag 2.3 1 0.14 Hypothermia protection
Jacks 'R' Better Down to Earth Pad 4.4 1 0.28
Bozeman Mountain Works TorsoLite Inflatable Pad 9.0 1 0.56
Thermarest Stuff Sack Pillow Large 2.5 1 0.16
FlexAir Plus Ultra light Pillow 1.0 1 0.06

TOTAL WEIGHT SLEEP SYSTEM 3.92


Kitchen
Un-petroleum Lip Balm 0.4 1 0.02
Hollan Spork 0.7 1 0.05
Wally World Parachute Cord on Spool 2.2 1 0.14
Platypus Bite Valve Cover 0.2 1 0.02
Platypus 0.5 Liter Bottle 0.8 1 0.05 Denatured Alcohol Bottle
Evernew .9 Liter Pot with Bag 4.9 1 0.31
Mo-go-gear R-guard Windscreen & Reflector Set 1.2 1 0.07
Vargo Triad Alcohol Stove 0.8 1 0.05
Kitchen Scrub Pad 0.4 1 0.02
Dr. Bronner's Soap in 1 oz. Container 0.9 1 0.06
Sea to Summit Silinylon Bag 0.9 1 0.06

TOTAL WEIGHT KITCHEN 0.83


TOTAL BASE WEIGHT 7.01


Miscellaneous
Sea to Summit Silinylon Bag Small 0.5 1 0.03
Petzl Tikka Headlamp 1.6 1 0.10
Grabber Mycoal Mega Warmers Hand Warmer 2.0 1 0.13 Hypothermia protection
REI Thermometer/Compass 0.4 1 0.02
Swiss Army Knife 2.7 1 0.17
Pentax Optio E10 Camera 4.6 1 0.28
AA Batteries 0.8 4 0.21 Two sets
Lithium 123 3V Batteries 0.6 4 0.14 Two sets
Mini Roll Toilet Paper 1.1 1 0.07
Fuchs Travel Toothbrush 0.6 1 0.04
Earplugs in Case 0.2 1 0.02
Adventure Medical Kits Ultralight .3 2.9 1 0.18
Purell Hand Sanitizer in 1 Oz. Bottle 1.3 1 0.08 Also fire starter
Wet Ones Singles 0.2 1 0.01
Colgate Toothpaste in .75 Oz. Tube 0.9 1 0.06
Mini Bic Lighter 0.4 1 0.02
Texsport Waterproof Safety Matches Box 0.2 1 0.02 Second fire source
SteriPEN Adventurer 2.4 1 0.15
Nalgene 1 Liter Plus Soft Wide Mouth Canteen 1.5 2 0.19
Nalgene Wide Mouth Screw-on Top 0.7 1 0.04
Nalgene Drinking Tube, Bite Valve, and Adaptor 3.0 1 0.19
TOTAL WEIGHT MISCELLANEOUS 2.14

Clothes Carried
Fleece Pullover 11.6 1 0.72
North Face Gloves 3.9 1 0.24
Polar Buff 2.9 1 0.18
Eddie Bauer Polartec Hat 1.3 1 0.08
Patagonia Micro Puff Vest Large 6.6 1 0.41
Gossamer Gear Spinn-Chaps 1.7 1 0.10 Rain Pants
Event Rain Mitts 1.4 1 0.09 Rain Gloves
Teko EcoMerino Wool Quarter Thin Socks Size large 1.4 1 0.09
TOTAL WEIGHT CLOTHES CARRIED 1.92

TOTAL PACK WEIGHT 11.07

Clothing Worn, and Items Carried
Glasses 0.7 1 0.04 Backup for contacts
New Balance 809 Pair Size 1234.1 1 2.13
Smartwool Trekking Heavy Cushion Socks Size Large 3.8 1 0.24
Smartwool midweight bottoms 8.2 1 0.51
Smartwool Lightweight Zip-Tee Top 9.0 1 0.56
Sugoi Helium Jacket Wind-Shirt Large 3.5 1 0.2
210,000 Feet Above Sea Level Convertible Pants 19.2 1 1.20
Gossamer Gear Princeton LED Light Red 0.4 1 0.02
Backup lightLeki Ultralight Makalu Pole 9.4 2 1.17
Leki Rubber Tip 0.5 2 0.06
TOTAL WEIGHT CLOTHING WORN, AND ITEMS CARRIED 6.15

Food, Water and Fuel
Trader Joe's Instant Oatmeal Packet 1.7 6 0.64
Kashi GoLean Protein & Fiber Bar Roll! Oatmeal Walnut 2.0 3 0.38
Kashi GoLean Protein & Fiber Bar Chocolate Peanut 1.8 2 0.23
Kashi GoLean Protein & Fiber Bar Chocolate Almond 1.6 2 0.20
Kashi GoLean Protein & Fiber Bar Chewy Chocolate Almond Toffee 3.1 3 0.58
Kashi GoLean Protein & Fiber Bar Chewy Peanut Butter & Chocolate 3.0 3 0.57 Edward & Sons Miso-Cup Soup 0.7 2 0.09 Mountain House Beef Stroganoff 5.7 1 0.36 Mountain House Beef Stew 5.3 2 0.66 Pasta Primavera 5.9 1 0.37 Denatured Alcohol 9.7 1 0.61
Water 1 Liter 35.3 2 4.42
TOTAL CONSUMABLE WEIGHT 9.10

TOTAL SKIN-OUT WEIGHT 26.32

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
My First Gear List on 12/09/2008 22:33:43 MST Print View

QUESTIONS:
=======
1. Solo or with a partner
2. Just one night out?


QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE ITEMS:

============================

a. Wally World Parachute Cord on Spool 2.2 1 0.14 (is this for a bear hang? THe bears are hibernating)

b. AA Batteries 0.8 4 0.21 Two sets (are these for the camera?)

c. Lithium 123 3V Batteries 0.6 4 0.14 Two sets (are these for the camera?)

d. Gossamer Gear Princeton LED Light Red 0.4 1 0.02 (You note a TIKKA headlamp in your list, what is this for?)





I recommend you NIX THE ITEMS BELOW:
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Jacks 'R' Better Compression Sack 1.3 1 0.08 (light weight camping for one night? Not needed)

Emergency Blanket in Bag 2.3 1 0.14 Hypothermia protection (easier to walk to safety, it is NOT protection from hypothermia)

Thermarest Stuff Sack Pillow Large 2.5 1 0.16 (Use a stuff sack sack the dual chamber pillow)

Mini Roll Toilet Paper 1.1 1 0.07 (go without toilet paper)
Platypus Bite Valve Cover 0.2 1 0.02 / Nalgene Drinking Tube, Bite Valve, and Adaptor 3.0 1 0.19 (go without a hose, you are NOT in arizona in July)
Kitchen Scrub Pad 0.4 1 0.02 (No need for a scrubby)

Swiss Army Knife 2.7 1 0.17 (TOO HEAVY and un needed -Take a single edge razor 0.1 oz)

Grabber Mycoal Mega Warmers Hand Warmer 2.0 1 0.13 Hypothermia protection (these may make your hands feel warm, they are NOT hypothermia protection)
* Wet Ones Singles 0.2 1 0.01 (NIX)

* Dr. Bronner's Soap in 1 oz. Container 0.9 1 0.06 (repackage, TOO much for one night out)
* Purell Hand Sanitizer in 1 Oz. Bottle 1.3 1 0.08 Also fire starter (repackage, TOO much for one night out)

- - - - - MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE 3 ITEMS ABOVE:

Wet ones, Dr,. Bronners AND Purell? THat is way too redundant. Nix the wet ones (not multi use) and repackage the soap and hand sany)

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 02:21:27 MST Print View

Keep the TP. Your gorp-trading friends and the Centers for Disease Control will thank you for practicing a more sanitary technique.

C. Everett Kook, MD

Edited by jshann on 12/10/2008 02:44:54 MST.

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 07:07:49 MST Print View

Do you need both the GG pad & the Torso-Lite?

Unless experience dictates you keep both, ditch one.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
two pads on 12/10/2008 09:23:03 MST Print View

December is gunna be cold, and the nights are long. I recommend keeping both, because the conductive heat loss will be a real comfort issue.

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(Edited with the added insight form the person below)

a. Gossamer Gear NightLight Sleeping Pad Torso Length
b. Jacks 'R' Better Down to Earth Pad
c. Bozeman Mountain Works TorsoLite Inflatable Pad

Okay, three pads is two much. But, two is a good amount for cold weather and long nights. Make sure you have some insulating coverage under your whole body.

Edited by mikeclelland on 12/10/2008 11:29:32 MST.

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: two pads on 12/10/2008 11:08:28 MST Print View

Probably right, Mike.

My suggestion was based on the fact that he also has a JRB pad (IIRC - is made by GG).

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 11:34:55 MST Print View

Jesse, I've never hiked in VA in the winter so I don't know what the weather is like most of the time, but I know that it does snow some times there? You said you are hiking in a couple of weeks. If you hit windy weather with snow, sleet or cold rain the chaps and poncho combo might be pushing the envelope. The wind will blow the poncho around/open and allow wind blown moisture to enter. The top of your chaps will also be exposed at times. This a great combination for 3 season hiking, but if there is a chance for a storm in the sub forty's I would look into something more protective.
In the Puget Sound area we do get a freak cold spell on occasion even though I use the chap/poncho setup during the 3 seasons. During winter I go with something a little more conservative.

Edited by bestbuilder on 12/10/2008 11:36:06 MST.

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 12:29:13 MST Print View

Good Choice on your shelter : Six Moon Designs Gatewood Cape with Guy lines11.2 1 0.70 Doubles as rain gear

My freind owns one of theses and let me use it on an overnighter and it is my favorite shelter of all time!
Breathes well,and isn't too crowded.

Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 13:29:28 MST Print View

"1. Solo or with a partner"
I'm going with a group, but this gear is all for me.

"2. Just one night out?"
Actually, two. I'm hoping to improve this list into a true 3+ Mid-Atlantic list, where I can take weekend trips after carefully watching the weather in the Winter.


"a. Wally World Parachute Cord on Spool 2.2 1 0.14 (is this for a bear hang? THe bears are hibernating)"
This is for bear hanging. Are the other animals hibernating as well? I really don't want mice eating through my bag to get at my food. I also have a great story of chasing down a raccoon for my food in California. I'm planning on getting the MLD bear bag system to save a couple of ounces.

"b. AA Batteries 0.8 4 0.21 Two sets (are these for the camera?)"
These are for my camera.

"c. Lithium 123 3V Batteries 0.6 4 0.14 Two sets (are these for the camera?)"
These are for my SteriPEN, but I have the option of only taking one set of batteries. I also could take aqua mira. Does anyone know if this works well in cold weather?

"d. Gossamer Gear Princeton LED Light Red 0.4 1 0.02 (You note a TIKKA headlamp in your list, what is this for?"
I like to bring a backup light. I mainly use the Petzl for walking after dark. The red LED is only about 10 grams though.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 13:48:18 MST Print View

"c. Lithium 123 3V Batteries 0.6 4 0.14 Two sets (are these for the camera?)"
These are for my SteriPEN, but I have the option of only taking one set of batteries. I also could take aqua mira. Does anyone know if this works well in cold weather?

We used the Adeventurer model on WT3. Temps got down to the low teens and we didn't have any problems with them working. We also didn't have to swap out the batteries over the 4.5 days we were out. We had 2 pens for shared use between 6 people. The only thing to note is we only treated when we felt it was necessary.

Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 14:00:41 MST Print View

"Jacks 'R' Better Compression Sack 1.3 1 0.08 (light weight camping for one night? Not needed)"
I like a little extra water protection for my down, two levels in case it rains all day. I could try weighing out my pack liner to see if it is lighter.

"Emergency Blanket in Bag 2.3 1 0.14 Hypothermia protection (easier to walk to safety, it is NOT protection from hypothermia)"
OK I'll take this out.

"Thermarest Stuff Sack Pillow Large 2.5 1 0.16 (Use a stuff sack sack the dual chamber pillow)"
The pillow acts as extra protection for my camp clothes. I injured my neck in a car accident years ago and don't sleep well without a good pillow. I can live with two and a half ounces for this luxury.

"Mini Roll Toilet Paper 1.1 1 0.07 (go without toilet paper)"
Thanks for the advice, but I can't go there yet.

"Platypus Bite Valve Cover 0.2 1 0.02 / Nalgene Drinking Tube, Bite Valve, and Adaptor 3.0 1 0.19 (go without a hose, you are NOT in arizona in July)"
This is over three ounces. I'll take it out for the winter, but with the humidity out here in the Summer it is needed more than a trip to Arizona.

"Kitchen Scrub Pad 0.4 1 0.02 (No need for a scrubby)"
I'll drop this. My finger is pretty multi-use. It that does not work out, I'll cut it down.

"Swiss Army Knife 2.7 1 0.17 (TOO HEAVY and un needed -Take a single edge razor 0.1 oz)"
Great suggestion. Thanks.

"Grabber Mycoal Mega Warmers Hand Warmer 2.0 1 0.13 Hypothermia protection (these may make your hands feel warm, they are NOT hypothermia protection)"
This is definitely out. It works really well if you put it against one of your major arteries. I will take this on solo trips. A hot water bottle will do just as well.

"* Wet Ones Singles 0.2 1 0.01 (NIX)"
This is out as well. These are wonderful on trips a little bit longer for washing up.

"* Dr. Bronner's Soap in 1 oz. Container 0.9 1 0.06 (repackage, TOO much for one night out)"
I'll order some of those micro-droppers to repackage the soap and sanitizer.

"* Purell Hand Sanitizer in 1 Oz. Bottle 1.3 1 0.08 Also fire starter (repackage, TOO much for one night out)"
I'll order some of those micro-droppers to repackage the soap and sanitizer.

Thanks a ton to the BPL Brain Trust (TM) ;->

Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
Re: Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 14:03:14 MST Print View

"Keep the TP. Your gorp-trading friends and the Centers for Disease Control will thank you for practicing a more sanitary technique.

C. Everett Kook, MD"

Hillarious! I'm definitely sticking with the TP.

Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
Re: Re: two pads on 12/10/2008 14:13:15 MST Print View

I just got the TorsoLite to use in the shelters on the AT as the ground is so hard. I would like to try it out. I use the nearly full length pad omni-taped to my quilt to make a bag and provide some insulation for my legs. When the ground is really cold, I figure I can use the TorsoLite and the GG torso length pad for extra insulation. It is heavy but it looks worm and comfortable. Coming from a hammock set-up that is really appealing.

Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
Re: Re: My First Gear List on 12/10/2008 14:26:52 MST Print View

I have smartwool bottoms, nylon pants, and chaps for my lower half. I'm planning on putting the Gatewood Cape under the shock cord that holds my Spinn-Chaps up. This should work in really windy situations. My cape is a new piece of gear, and this will be my first trip out with it. If the snow is that bad, I have extra food, can wait it out, or bail. Thanks.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
avoid redundancies on 12/10/2008 14:59:31 MST Print View

You wrote:
========
"Jacks 'R' Better Compression Sack 1.3 1 0.08 (light weight camping for one night? Not needed)"
I like a little extra water protection for my down, two levels in case it rains all day. I could try weighing out my pack liner to see if it is lighter.

You wrote "extra" protection above. The lightweight hiker should be able to minimize redundancies and "extra" stuff. If you have a pack liner, you have waterproofing, no need for extra gear - just "extra" care on the part of the camper.

This is what separates the UL hiker from the traditional hiker. Eliminating un-needed anything (like TP!) (and a second headlamp! Avoid redundancies!)

Also - 26 mile two day trip, or three days? No matter, a lighter pack will make this rediculusly easy. You may need extra clothes cuz you'll be s-s-s- standing around so much waiting for your team-mates. 26 miles is a manegable one day trip!

Jesse McKinney
(jessemckinney) - F

Locale: Mid-Atlantic
Thanks for all the help on 12/10/2008 16:03:32 MST Print View

Thanks for all the help. I'll ditch the extra sack unless I can't fit everything into my pack. I purposely did not put in a pack liner as I am intending on using the sack for my quilt and the pillow/sack for my camp clothes.

I'll leave behind the Petzl and just go with the one red LED. If I was planning on hiking at night I would go with the Petzl. I would like to upgrade to a 4 LED light. Anyone know of any that use red LEDs?

I ripped my ACL a few years ago (hence the need for lightweight) and am not in the best hiking shape. On my last trip out one 13 or 14 mile day kicked my butt pretty badly. I think I was carrying about eight or nine more pounds though. I'm hoping to get my milage up this year by doing more weekend trips. The good thing is my knee is doing better than the rest of me ;-)

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
liner bag on 12/10/2008 16:54:42 MST Print View

Line your backpack with a single HEFTY TRASH COMPACTOR BAG, available at the grocery store.

One bag, really tuff, and white!

Everything inside the bag will stay dry!

John Whynot
(jdw01776)

Locale: Southeast Texas
Re: Thanks for all the help on 12/10/2008 17:44:08 MST Print View

>>I'll leave behind the Petzl and just go with the one red LED. If I was planning on hiking at night I would go with the Petzl. I would like to upgrade to a 4 LED light. Anyone know of any that use red LEDs?

Take the headlamp, and leave the backup. A headlamp is too useful to leave behind. The Petzl e-Lite has both white and red LEDs.

Linda Vassallo
(eastbayhiker)

Locale: Eastbay
Gatewood Cape, Will It Work For 5'6" on 12/10/2008 17:48:40 MST Print View

Evan, I'm very interested in the Gatewood cape but have read the comments that it is best for taller people. I'm 5'6". In your opinion, would the cape work for me or be too long?

Comments from anyone else?

LV

Edited by eastbayhiker on 12/10/2008 17:51:04 MST.

P. P.
(toesnorth) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: "My First Gear List"/Thread hijack/Allison's ? on 12/10/2008 18:38:14 MST Print View

Allison,
I was interested in a Gatewood cape also (I'm 5'4") and after research and talking to several Gatewood Cape owners, I have determined them to be for taller folks. I did not, however, get a chance to try one 'for real' so who knows?
Well, that wasn't much help, was it?
I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.