Mike and Johnathan - Thanks guys for the great feedback. Your combined comments (and a few additional tweaks have helped me drop from 17 pounds to 12). Minus ski boots I’m down to 9 pounds (for all clothing - worn and carried)! Much better… See the updated list here: GOOGLE SPREADSHEET
As you can tell, the closest thing to winter camping that I have done is tossing snowballs around in the backyard or shoveling snow on the drive. Thus, I thought I’d overshoot (apparently really overshoot) and get some help pairing this down. I have a fair amount of 3 season, multi-day, lightweight (not UL or SUL), backpacking experience so my other gear is looking good. However, as you can tell it’s the clothing, shelter, and sleep systems that I’m struggling with. Mike, I have your book on order and am excited to read it! I hear it’s a great resource. Here are the answers your questions:
a. How long is the trip? 7 days, 6 nights (the 5th night will be in a 10th Mt. Div. Hut, so a good time to dry gear out). The first 2 nights will be car camping.
b. How much skiing? ~5 miles per day (not increasing more than 1000 feet in elevation per day) We’ll have youth (scouts) along with us.
c. Where will you be? Early March, near Leadville, CO at elevations between 10-12K feet
d. What kind of team mates, novice or advanced? a dozen or so people, half experienced, the other half novice (including me!)
e. Are you trailing a sled? Nope
f. What are your GOALS? Have fun, learn how to winter camp, learn how to cross country ski.
I’ve deleted the following from the list:
The notes about “drying” etc…
Head - windproof balaclava, Outdoor Research WS Gorilla Balaclava - L – Black (3.10oz)
Hands - midweight layer, Patagonia Windzone Fingerless Gloves – M (2.20oz)
Torso - midweight layer, Icebreaker Bodyfit Midweight 260 Merino Wool Shirt(11.70oz)
Torso - high loft insulating, Patagonia micropuff - large(12.75oz)
Legs – underwear, Ex Officio Give-N-Go Boxer Breifs - L (2.95oz)
Legs - heavyweight layer, Simms Rivertek Polartec Power Dry (200 weight)(10.90oz)
Feet - water proof oversocks, Rocky Gortex - Size 9(2.60oz)
Feet - winter insoles, Toasty Feet(2.00oz)
Feet - non wp trail running shoe, Montrail streak - Size 9(22.40oz)
Feet - insulated camp bootie,Integral Designs Hot Socks (4.70oz)
Feet – overboot, Tyvek Boot - Duct Tape Bottom (7.50oz)
I decided to keep the high loft balaclava (since this is a great excuse to buy a piece of gear I’ve always wanted, and I don’t have a hooded jacket)
I want to try out the surgical gloved as an experiment (learned about it from someone here at BPL).
Double check my torso layers now… think they’d keep me warm at, say, 10F? Since I dropped the second micropuff and merino 260, I really think I’ll need the Patagonia R2… maybe not?
I also changed from the Integral Designs Hotsocks to the Feather Friends Down Booties with the EPIC shell (9oz). Lighter and warmer than the ID hot socks + the tyvek boot. I really like that the FF insulation can be removed from the EPIC shell for sleeping, but the shell can be used to walk around camp.
So regarding rain shells… you guys say nix 'em. My rationale behind keeping them was to wear over the Montbell insulated pants at camp. They’d also be nice if it warmed up above 32F and things started getting wet. Not sure what to do here… This will be my first trip using a soft shell pant so I still don’t trust the MH synchro’s.
So, bivys and winter don’t play well together? I was thinking that it would be a good idea since we were going to use a floorless tent. Of course we’d have our sleeping pads and some sort of ground cloth. Does the shell on the Montbell bags block wind sufficiently?
As for vapor barrier sacks in the bags, I’m concerned about loosing loft after 6 nights in down bag at 0-10F. In your experience, is this not a concern?