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Michael Skwarczek
( uberkatzen )

Locale:
los angeles, ca
Re: surviving without tent or sleeping bag - Han Solo Meets A Ton-ton on 10/30/2009 21:37:18 MDT Print View

"Bear Grylls demonstrates how to use a camel as a shelter against a sandstorm. Warning: This is Bear Grylls, so that means gutting the camel and getting inside the camel for shelter."

Han Solo survived a sub-zero night and pulled his buddy, Luke Skywalker, through the freezing extremes of the planet Hoth. He used their fallen Ton-ton with the same means, gutting and getting INSIDE for shelter. Jeez, we thought they smelled bad on the outside!

cheers,
-Rogue Two

John Brochu
( JohnnyBgood4 - M )
re: "Surviving the cold without a tent or a sleeping bag" on 10/30/2009 22:12:18 MDT Print View

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/315814/photo11.html

A teamster in the late 1800's killed his horse, gutted it, and slept in it overnight under Boise Rock in Franconia Notch, NH.

This place is on the other side of the road (what is now sadly an interstate highway) from the Old Man of The Mountain site and a bunch of classic rock and ice climbs on Cannon Cliff. The AT passes by within a mile or two.

Lori Pontious
( lori999 - M )

Locale:
Central Valley
"Surviving the cold without a tent or sleeping bag" on 10/30/2009 23:31:47 MDT Print View

"He used their fallen Ton-ton with the same means, gutting and getting INSIDE for shelter. Jeez, we thought they smelled bad on the outside!"

It's a taun-taun.... [ /geek ]

+1 for Deep Survival - good read.

One of the SAR trainers I had occasion to listen to recently had good things to say about building a fire in a trench along a natural shelter, like a rock overhang. Evidently he slept comfortably in one in November at elevation during an extended search.

Jim Barbour
( hikin_jim )

Locale:
So Cal
A Personal Experience and a Video Link. on 10/31/2009 01:06:48 MDT Print View

In December 1984, my dad and I went out on a day hike. It turned into a three day hike. The first night it rained. We had neither jackets nor rain gear, and we certainly didn't have a tent. We had only brought lunch and a few snacks. I was wearing cotton clothes (jeans, T shirt, cotton long john top, cotton flannel shirt, and a baseball type cap). It was in the 30's, and it poured all night long. We did jumping jacks in place to keep hypothermia at bay -- and this was after a difficult all day cross country/canyoneering hike. Any time we stopped to rest from exhaustion, we immediately started to shudder uncontrollably (first stages of hypothermia). Needless to say, this was by far the least pleasant hiking experience I've ever had. I found it interesting that in Touching Void, the protagonist wasn't moved to prayer. Quite the opposite for me. I've never prayed so earnestly in all my life.

HJ

P.S. Michel Blomgren of Sweden has posted a video about his spending the night without normal overnight gear in cold, snowy conditions.

James Castleberry
( Winterland76 )
Surviving the cold without a tent or a sleeping bag on 10/31/2009 05:39:02 MDT Print View

My first thought is of Jim Wickwire's bivuoac just below the summit of K2 in 1978. He didn't want to try to do the famed "Bottleneck" and "Traverse" in the dark. His bivy sack nearly slid off the mountain during the night. He survived and made it back to camp the next morning.
Regarding "Touching the Void," an incredible story. An injured climber slides off a sheer cliff face. His parther struggles to hold him and keep him from death drop into crevasse below. Forced to cut the rope before both die. Partner returns to camp, knowing Joe Simpson is dead. Just hours before they break camp to return home to US, Simpson crawls into camp, having crawled the entire way.
So is The Naked Mountain, by Rheinhold Messner, describing bold ascent of Nanga Parbat with brother Gunther. Unable to descend the way they came up, they had to try to traverse to other side of mountain to Diamir valley.
Mountaineers are biggest egoists in the world, but their stories are incredibly dramatic.

Edited by Winterland76 on 10/31/2009 06:04:00 MDT.

Walter Carrington
( Snowleopard - M )

Locale:
Mass.
Dersu Uzala on 10/31/2009 09:34:46 MDT Print View

Kurasawa's movie Dersu Uzala is based on a memoir by VK Arseniev, so this may be true rather than fiction:
Dersu, a Siberian native, and a Russian military cartographer/explorer are caught in winter in a wind storm in a Siberian marsh. Dersu builds a shelter out of grass and they survive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQDZ1ExrtEw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PulGI0XVVug&NR=1

Edited by Snowleopard on 10/31/2009 09:41:38 MDT.

Roman Dial
( romandial - M )

Locale:
packrafting NZ
Re: A Personal Experience and a Video Link. on 10/31/2009 11:48:45 MDT Print View

Wow Jim, your dad must have felt pretty bad about that trip....

That video link is neat. As he said there, the key is a fire with lots of wood.

I have spent many nights out without shelter in Alaska -- no sleeping bag, no pad -- and the warmest nights have always been with fire.

Once I ripped a hole in the bottom of a packraft in the Wrangells (1986) and it was October. The temperature dropped to -10 F that night. All my gear was wet, so I built two fires and slept between them.

In the Wilderness Classic we routinely camp without bag or shelter and the key is as the Survival Savvy Swede said, "The key is a big fire and a lot of wood."

In the snow, spruce boughs make good, albeit pretty heavy trace-leaving, insulation to sleep/rest on.

Tohru Ohnuki
( erdferkel - M )

Locale:
S. California
Re: Dersu Uzala on 10/31/2009 13:36:47 MDT Print View

Dersu Uzala is an underappreciated Kurosawa film and basically the source for "The Empire Strikes Back." Lucas copped the character of Yoda from Dersu and the scene with the grass shelter got morphed into the Tauntaun scene.

Miguel D Arboleda
( butuki - M )

Locale:
Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Dersu Uzala on 10/31/2009 14:08:56 MDT Print View

Dersu Uzala is one of my all time favorite movies, and I've read the book, too. I often dreamed of knowing as much as Dersu did about his forests and steppes. You rarely see a character like him, or an actor who can portray such a character so well.

When I was a boy I loved "My Side of the Mountain", by Jean Craighead George. Perhaps my first look into surviving and prospering in the wild.

And, of course, even though it isn't entirely realistic, my all-time favorite champion of the wilderness is Snufkin, from the Moomin series by Tove Jansson. I still read the books today for the wisdom they provide about life and nature.

Edited by butuki on 10/31/2009 14:13:14 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
( ouzel - M )

Locale:
Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re : Surviving the cold without tent or sleeping bag on 10/31/2009 17:57:19 MDT Print View

"Dougal Haston and Doug Scott summited Everest,
VERY hard men. VERY!"

Indeed. Men enough to think nothing of burying their feet in each other's groin to prevent frostbite.

Martin Gamache
( drown - M )

Locale:
Shenandoah
Re: Surviving the cold without a tent or a sleeping bag on 10/31/2009 19:00:47 MDT Print View

"Just hours before they break camp to return home to US, Simpson crawls into camp, having crawled the entire way. "

Just to clarify a small point:

Joe Simpson and Simon Yates are British. They returned to the UK.

Jim Barbour
( hikin_jim )

Locale:
So Cal
Re: Re: A Personal Experience and a Video Link. on 11/02/2009 19:46:13 MST Print View

Wow Jim, your dad must have felt pretty bad about that trip...
Some trips you look back on and say "that was tough, but it really was an adventure." Other trips, you just shake your head and thank God you're alive. This was the latter kind of trip. I've read about plenty of people dying in those circumstances.

Dad really liked to talk about old hikes and such. He never talked about that trip.

That video link is neat. As he said there, the key is a fire with lots of wood.
Michel has a lot of good ideas, and puts together a pretty good video, doesn't he?

All my gear was wet, so I built two fires and slept between them.
Hmm. That's a good one to bear in mind. The reason we survived was at least in part because dad liked John Muir's writings. Muir described how he would "dance" all night to stay warm. Dad drew that out of his memory that night back in '84, and we lived. Sometimes videos or books will give you an idea that could be really useful someday. Worth a read even though you obviously can't remember everything.

In the snow, spruce boughs make good, albeit pretty heavy trace-leaving, insulation to sleep/rest on.
Better to leave a trace than to vanish without one. (shudder)

A S
( Trooper )
Re: Surviving the cold without a tent or a sleeping bag on 11/02/2009 20:44:08 MST Print View

It isn't exactly what you're looking for, but certainly worth watching:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_pugh_swims_the_north_pole.html

Chris Jones
( NightMarcher )
Alive on 11/03/2009 22:06:18 MST Print View

I think "Alive" would qualify for inclusion in this thread.

Here is a summary of the book, taken from Amazon web site:

"On October 12, 1972, an Uruguayan Air Force plane carrying a team of rugby players crashed in the remote snowy peaks of the Andes. Ten weeks later, only sixteen of the forty-five passengers were found alive. This is the story of those ten weeks spent in the shelter of the plane's fuselage without food and with scarcely any hope of a rescue. The survivors protected and helped one another, and came to the difficult conclusion that to live meant doing the unimaginable. Confronting nature at its most furious, two brave young men risked their lives to hike through the mountains looking for help -- and ultimately found it."

Tom Bender
( shovelman - M )

Locale:
Out East, sort of
Great Reads on 11/14/2009 14:38:19 MST Print View

"Into Thin Air" is excellent

"Endurance" is also a must read.

Walter Carrington
( Snowleopard - M )

Locale:
Mass.
Re: Surviving the cold without a tent or a sleeping bag on 11/14/2009 15:39:34 MST Print View

I think it's fiction, but the movie 'The Snow Walker' is excellent. The female lead is Inuit and was chosen for the role partly because she actually knows the traditional methods for survival in the north.
" The Snow Walker concerns a brave risk-taking pilot (Barry Pepper) and an Inuit woman in frail health who is his passenger. When the pair experience a plane crash, each is forced to learn from and help the other in order to survive the variety of obstacles the harsh landscape throws in their path." Based on a story by Farley Mowat.

The whole film on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgr1u4Fdii0

Troy Ammons
( tammons - M )
"Surviving the cold without a tent or a sleeping bag" on 11/14/2009 20:07:26 MST Print View

Great movie