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paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Re: Re: Attaching shoulder straps on 11/22/2005 02:03:29 MST Print View

>>"Surprising that Velcro will work to make adjustable shoulder straps"

Kelty has been using velcro for adjustable hip belt attachment (in many pack models) and even adjustable shoulder straps (in a few models) for some years now.

Take Vick's advice. In the pre-lightening-up days, I used several Kelty packs employing velcro for attachment/adjustment purposes. No worries about the velcro suddenly releasing under bouncing loads. Keep in mind, at that time, 40-50lbs was carried in these Kelty packs employing velcro.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Attaching shoulder straps on 11/22/2005 06:57:46 MST Print View

I don't have experience with the Kelty velcro strap attachments but before anyone decides to incorporate that into an MYOG pack you'll probably want to be aware that hook&loop fasteners (aka velcro) are made with varying degrees of holding power ranging from mimimal to dang near impossible to separate.

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Re: Attaching shoulder straps on 11/23/2005 15:43:48 MST Print View

Jim:
That's good advice - to know what kind of Velcro you are using. The stronger Velcro is, the fewer times it can be released and re-attached. Ordinary fabric store Velcro is made to 'cycle' a lot before it starts to weaken. It's just that it starts weak.

OWR has generic "hook and loop" that is in the mid-range. It will go through many cycles, but starts off strong. To get any stronger, you have to go to the specialty types that are generally glue-on and for rigid, semipermanent applications.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
Pack strap construction on 11/27/2005 08:50:32 MST Print View

{simple soluton}

I have retro-fitted my Ultra-Light pack with 2 inch SEAT BELT WEBBING.

My GoLite BREEZE had these stiff foam straps, and I am too tall for their length, So, I cut off the old straps and sewed (by hand, easy) a pair of seat belt webbing straps.

As long as you stay under about 30 pounds it's more comfortable.

I am gunna try and attach a photo.

Benjamin Smith
(bugbomb) - F - M

Locale: South Texas
pack finished! on 12/12/2005 18:19:13 MST Print View

Finally! I don't know why I spent so much time on this when I should have been studying for finals. I wound up making the tops of the straps from the same silnylon as the pack body, the bottoms of the straps from some cheapo nylon mesh, and the padding... well, I had an old auto winshield screen laying around, the foam kind, not the bubble kind, and it was perfect! I posted some pics over at www.whiteblaze.net. I also have pics of my first attempt at pitching my tarp - came out ok, but no making fun of my scrawny chicken legs ;). The pack wound up costing between $4 and $5, I think. I haven't officially weighed it, but I'm guessing 7-8 oz. Not XSUL, but it's very strong. I triple-stitched (at least) every seam, and it does not pull apart at all. Ryan, you'll be glad to see the close resemblance to the Gossamer Gear G6. Again, thanks to all for your input, Ryan, Vick, and Roger especially.

pics - http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=6255

Bob Gabbart
(bobg) - F
Pack -- Wow! on 12/12/2005 18:30:18 MST Print View

Wow! Great job!

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
Re: Pack -- Wow! on 12/12/2005 18:33:02 MST Print View

Wow #2

this looks amazingly like the G6, beautiflly made.

???where did you get the cheap sil nylon???

good luck with your finals

Edited by ryanf on 12/12/2005 18:43:51 MST.

Benjamin Smith
(bugbomb) - F - M

Locale: South Texas
fabric on 12/12/2005 19:23:15 MST Print View

Bob - thanks for the kind words. It took way too long.

Ryan - I found the fabric in the $1 bin at Walmart. I stumble on it every once in a while, and buy all they've got.

Ben

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Pack -- Wow! on 12/12/2005 19:24:33 MST Print View

You say this is your first try? Good job on both the pack and the tarp.

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
Re: fabric on 12/12/2005 19:31:32 MST Print View

thanks Ben I will check walmart.

a long time is probably worth it, I bet once I get a sewing machine (soon) I will try to go too quickly trough a project and have it not meet my standards in the end, but the cheap fabric will help and I guess I will just have to learn to be patient.

thanks again Ben, for an easier tarp pitch try making a catenary cut tarp

here is plans for a cat cut tarp tent, but you dont need to make the bug netting, just the tarp

Night Wing Pattern

R Alsborg
(FastWalker) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Re: pack finished! on 12/12/2005 19:34:36 MST Print View

Mr. Smith,

My law firm is representing Glen Van Peski of Gossamer Gear and will soon be taking you to court for copyright infringement… Not!
Nice Job, you’re attention to detail is amazing.

Regards

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
Re: Re: pack finished! on 12/12/2005 19:46:58 MST Print View

I would like to add that your pack is a masterpeice that definately compares to Bill Fornshells amazing prouducts!

when I make a pack similar to yours I will refer to your pics just as much as Bills.

thanks for your example, you inspire me

Benjamin Smith
(bugbomb) - F - M

Locale: South Texas
thanks on 12/13/2005 07:47:04 MST Print View

All,

I am glad if the pack looks up to standards. Fortunately, I can't shatter that perception with close-up shots - I can't sew a straight line to save my life! Thanks again for everything you all have said - it's very encouraging.

Ryan, I have wanted a G6 since I first saw them, but as I've joked before, I'm a college student on a SUL budget. Although, Glen's newsletter today reports that he's selling the real deal G6 for $80! That's a great price, and almost makes my time not worth the sewing, especially when you consider the extra features, saved weight, and no doubt much improved construction quality of the pro pack. Also, I have pored over Ron's patterns on the SMD website - great stuff all around. The reason that I didn't give the tarp a cat ridgeline is simply that the silnylon was like 62 inches wide, and it was just easier to hem and attach guyout loops/reinforcement! Hopefully you've seen Brian's MacCat tarp page? http://www.outdoorequipmentsupplier.com. Brilliant stuff, nothing but good reports. And as far as my stuff comparing to Bill's - no way. That guy is the wizard of BPL. He probably made ten packs, three tarps, and another DAM in the time it took me to sew one pack - AND he modded his stove to boot! And all those pieces together probably weigh less than my pack does! My hat is off to Bill for his excellent work, excellent pics, and generous sharing of information.

Vick - not my first pack per se - I've started a couple, but always salvaged straps from other packs. I've also never made one with more than a main pack body, and certainly not one with a finished collar like this one. This is the first pack I've made that I would venture into the woods with ;). Thanks again for all your advice - while I didn't incorporate it on this pack, I have certainly filed it away for consideration/brainstorming.

Roger A. - lol! Gave me a jump there for a line or two...

Ben

Edited by bugbomb on 12/13/2005 09:40:09 MST.

R Alsborg
(FastWalker) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Re: thanks on 12/13/2005 09:32:10 MST Print View

"I can't sew a straight line to save my life!"

Yeah I feel your pain. It’s especially obvious when sewing long lengths such as with tarps. The secret is patience and sewing real slow

Still a Nice Job Ben, now I know why Glen sold the business

Michael Freyman
(mfreyman) - MLife
Re: thanks on 12/13/2005 15:06:02 MST Print View

where are these G6's that you mention for $80?

Ryan Faulkner
(ryanf) - F

Locale: Mid atlantic, No. Cal
gossamer gear on 12/13/2005 15:14:08 MST Print View

what is all this about GVP selling the company?

I cant find anything on his website.

will this mean a increase or decrease in gear production,new prouducts or less?

no more glen? :-(

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Gossamer Gear-Move on 12/13/2005 15:26:08 MST Print View

Ryan, Check out this notice.

Move to Austin, Tx and more


Austin, Tx is about 90 minutes up the road from where I live. Looks like a good move to me.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Gossomer Gear's future on 12/13/2005 15:27:22 MST Print View

will be in Austin,Tx.
Bill beat me to it.

Michael---sign up to the newsletter at GG and you will receive notification on how to get the discounted G6.

Edited by kdesign on 12/13/2005 15:32:33 MST.

R Alsborg
(FastWalker) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Re: gossamer gear on 12/13/2005 15:42:33 MST Print View

Ryan,

Relax… Despite the current transitional changes going on at Gossamer Gear, Glen will remain Chairman of the Board. Production of current gear will be increased and new products for 2006 are being field tested.

Regards

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
GG's future on 12/13/2005 15:47:46 MST Print View

and more importantly--- Glen will be continuing the R&D aspects. In fact, this change will give him more time to do so.

Edited by kdesign on 12/13/2005 15:49:31 MST.