Companion forum thread to:

Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008)

Hang-em-high does not seem to have a search function, and the Tyvek is listed NOT under Fabric. Look under Paper!

cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 09/09/2008 17:29:51 MDT.

Do double wall tents with all mesh inners really differ that much from single wall tents with bathtub floors?

Carbon Reflex - Hubba 1 costs $450?!?!?! For a savings of a few ounces to become non freestanding with carbon fibre poles. Okee dokee.

The Sildome with bug netting is impressive, actually. 40 sq feet for 3.3 pounds with floor and full netting, including the door is quite good.

What the picture of the Fly Creek does not show is that they shape of the inner is similar to that of the Sublite - much lower height at the foot end. Pretty amazing weight for double walled and freestanding (sort of).

Looking forward to the State of the Market on Single Walls.

Please use metric units in addition to imperial.

> Do double wall tents with all mesh inners really differ that much from single wall tents with bathtub floors?
Well, they are probably heavier ... :-)

Depends whether the bathtub floor is held up by netting to the roof. If it is (how else do you hold it up?), then both should be insect-proof. In that case, no functional difference.

The netting inner tent is a marketing thing - 'you can leave the fly behind' in the American summer. Don't try this in other countries - the weather may not be quite as stable!

Cheers

About the rab summit extreme, there is a thing that i dont understand ... I read frecuently that the exchange lite were a heavier cloth that event

But the new summit its bigger (taller) and lighter ... ¿there is a new cloth?

How it can be compared to event?

If someone could give me more info about this tent is welcome

Its important because im interested in one high altitude tent for my next mont trip to nepal and the older summit is one of my favourites ...

Edited by pitagorin on 09/10/2008 01:14:01 MDT.

Take a look at this for more details:
http://www.anatolyivanov.com/prose/en/AI.7.00143/

I don't know if Will tried to be ironic or that he really thinks exchange lite is something new, but in reality Exchange Lite is just a proprietary name used by RAB/Outdoor Designs. It used to be an air permeable version of gore-tex; today they use it for eVENT.

Looks a lot like a double rainbow. Big Agnes does the short strut pole also.

I know this forum looks down at REI gear in a big way, but I paid $219 for a T3 last weekend. After replacing the stakes, and losing the storage bags, it weighs 4.55#. That isn't bad for a 3 person test, with 2 vestibules. You gotta admit, they're trying; albeit as much as they can while trying to reach a mass market.

Ok - so if BPL stakes weigh 6 grams each... just what is Terra doing to get down to a 1 gram stake? Or was that just a typo?

IIRC, BPL sells 1 gram stakes too.

Me too, David ..... I'll likely pass on the Carbon Reflex @ $450: My '06 Hubba was purchased new for $150, and my Fibraplex Carbon poles costs $115 ... total weight with everything is 2 lbs 10 oz at a costs of $265.

Edited by SloHiker on 09/10/2008 11:11:45 MDT.

As always, very well organized and detailed..

I LOVE this stuff !! And am grateful that this forum exists so that contributors , like Will, can share .


Thanks BPL !

How about the Stephenson 2R two-wall four-season tent at 2.75 pounds? No mesh inner walls. My friend has one and loves it. I've been snow camping in that tent.

Perhaps you could borrow one and review it.

Stephenson's tents obviously didn't qualify for this review because they were not at this OR show. However, their tents are certainly worthy of inclusion in an overall comparison of lightweight double walled shelters.

Hi Will,

can you comment on whether the ID BugDome can be set up with the Sildome at the same time? i.e. insert pole and the whole thing goes up like a Hilleberg?

Hi All. I have been away for a week hiking on the CDT. Here are my responses to some of the questions raised about the shelters roundup.

Tyvek: On the Hang 'em High website, click on "catalog", then enter "Tyvek" in the search box and it will come up.

Terra Nova 1 gram stakes: They actually weigh 1.28 gram (.045 ounce) each. They are like tooth picks, and I wonder how well they will secure a tent. It takes 12 of them to stake the Laser Photon. I think some heftier stakes are needed to secure the 4 main guylines on the tent, at least.

ID Bug Dome/SilDome Tent: They use the same pole, and the combination makes into a double wall tent if the SilDome is laid over the BugDome with pole. I don't know if they attach together so they can be set up as a unit.

Stephenson's 2R: I don't believe this is a new tent. Note that our Outdoor Retailer LW shelters roundup only focuses on new tents hitting the market in 08 and 09, and does not cover older models.

Exchange Lite Fabric: I double checked and was told that it is an eVENT product. I believe the GTX product is FLO2.

Best, Will

Edited by WilliWabbit on 09/14/2008 15:32:22 MDT.

Thanks Will.

(we expect a trip report, FYI)

I have the Stephenson 3R. Tons of room for two and gear. Great so far. It is relatively light for a double wall at a little under four pounds; however, it also seems to be extremely sturdy. At least for me, it is a good compromise bewteen light weight and the insistence that in so far as possible equipment failure is not an option when deep in the backcountry.