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Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008)
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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008) on 09/09/2008 15:26:28 MDT Print View

Companion forum thread to:

Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008)

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
re Tyvek on 09/09/2008 16:28:59 MDT Print View

Hang-em-high does not seem to have a search function, and the Tyvek is listed NOT under Fabric. Look under Paper!

cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 09/09/2008 17:29:51 MDT.

Adrian B
(adrianb) - MLife

Locale: Auckland, New Zealand
Re: Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008) on 09/09/2008 18:25:35 MDT Print View

Do double wall tents with all mesh inners really differ that much from single wall tents with bathtub floors?

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008) on 09/09/2008 23:07:32 MDT Print View

Nm

Edited by FamilyGuy on 11/19/2013 23:23:05 MST.

Andrew Dolman
(andydolman) - M
Metric on 09/10/2008 00:50:34 MDT Print View

Please use metric units in addition to imperial.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008) on 09/10/2008 00:57:59 MDT Print View

> Do double wall tents with all mesh inners really differ that much from single wall tents with bathtub floors?
Well, they are probably heavier ... :-)

Depends whether the bathtub floor is held up by netting to the roof. If it is (how else do you hold it up?), then both should be insect-proof. In that case, no functional difference.

The netting inner tent is a marketing thing - 'you can leave the fly behind' in the American summer. Don't try this in other countries - the weather may not be quite as stable!

Cheers

carlos fernandez rivas
(pitagorin) - MLife

Locale: Galicia -Spain
about the new rab summit on 09/10/2008 01:08:46 MDT Print View

About the rab summit extreme, there is a thing that i dont understand ... I read frecuently that the exchange lite were a heavier cloth that event

But the new summit its bigger (taller) and lighter ... ┬┐there is a new cloth?

How it can be compared to event?

If someone could give me more info about this tent is welcome

Its important because im interested in one high altitude tent for my next mont trip to nepal and the older summit is one of my favourites ...

Edited by pitagorin on 09/10/2008 01:14:01 MDT.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: about the new rab summit on 09/10/2008 05:34:07 MDT Print View

Take a look at this for more details:
http://www.anatolyivanov.com/prose/en/AI.7.00143/

I don't know if Will tried to be ironic or that he really thinks exchange lite is something new, but in reality Exchange Lite is just a proprietary name used by RAB/Outdoor Designs. It used to be an air permeable version of gore-tex; today they use it for eVENT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
MSR unique pole? on 09/10/2008 07:03:45 MDT Print View

Looks a lot like a double rainbow. Big Agnes does the short strut pole also.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
REI T3 on 09/10/2008 07:18:04 MDT Print View

I know this forum looks down at REI gear in a big way, but I paid $219 for a T3 last weekend. After replacing the stakes, and losing the storage bags, it weighs 4.55#. That isn't bad for a 3 person test, with 2 vestibules. You gotta admit, they're trying; albeit as much as they can while trying to reach a mass market.

gdinero senior
(gmoney) - F
1 gram stakes on 09/10/2008 08:48:41 MDT Print View

Ok - so if BPL stakes weigh 6 grams each... just what is Terra doing to get down to a 1 gram stake? Or was that just a typo?

Huzefa Siamwala
(huzefa) - M
Re: 1 gram stakes on 09/10/2008 09:29:29 MDT Print View

IIRC, BPL sells 1 gram stakes too.

Slo Hiker
(SloHiker) - F

Locale: NC Foothills
Re:Carbon Reflex for $450 on 09/10/2008 11:10:45 MDT Print View

Me too, David ..... I'll likely pass on the Carbon Reflex @ $450: My '06 Hubba was purchased new for $150, and my Fibraplex Carbon poles costs $115 ... total weight with everything is 2 lbs 10 oz at a costs of $265.

Edited by SloHiker on 09/10/2008 11:11:45 MDT.

Scott Smith
(mrmuddy) - M

Locale: No Cal
OUTSTANDING article !! on 09/10/2008 14:17:26 MDT Print View

As always, very well organized and detailed..

I LOVE this stuff !! And am grateful that this forum exists so that contributors , like Will, can share .


Thanks BPL !

Walter Underwood
(wunder) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Stephenson 2R is the one to beat on 09/10/2008 16:33:07 MDT Print View

How about the Stephenson 2R two-wall four-season tent at 2.75 pounds? No mesh inner walls. My friend has one and loves it. I've been snow camping in that tent.

Perhaps you could borrow one and review it.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Stephenson 2R is the one to beat on 09/10/2008 17:00:51 MDT Print View

Stephenson's tents obviously didn't qualify for this review because they were not at this OR show. However, their tents are certainly worthy of inclusion in an overall comparison of lightweight double walled shelters.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
"Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008)" on 09/12/2008 15:54:12 MDT Print View

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Edited by FamilyGuy on 11/19/2013 23:23:40 MST.

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Shelters Roundup Responses on 09/13/2008 13:12:27 MDT Print View

Hi All. I have been away for a week hiking on the CDT. Here are my responses to some of the questions raised about the shelters roundup.

Tyvek: On the Hang 'em High website, click on "catalog", then enter "Tyvek" in the search box and it will come up.

Terra Nova 1 gram stakes: They actually weigh 1.28 gram (.045 ounce) each. They are like tooth picks, and I wonder how well they will secure a tent. It takes 12 of them to stake the Laser Photon. I think some heftier stakes are needed to secure the 4 main guylines on the tent, at least.

ID Bug Dome/SilDome Tent: They use the same pole, and the combination makes into a double wall tent if the SilDome is laid over the BugDome with pole. I don't know if they attach together so they can be set up as a unit.

Stephenson's 2R: I don't believe this is a new tent. Note that our Outdoor Retailer LW shelters roundup only focuses on new tents hitting the market in 08 and 09, and does not cover older models.

Exchange Lite Fabric: I double checked and was told that it is an eVENT product. I believe the GTX product is FLO2.

Best, Will

Edited by WilliWabbit on 09/14/2008 15:32:22 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
"Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008)" on 09/13/2008 14:34:57 MDT Print View

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Edited by FamilyGuy on 11/19/2013 23:24:33 MST.

Robert DeMoro
(DeMoro) - F - M
Stephenson Double Wall Tents on 09/13/2008 15:54:09 MDT Print View

I have the Stephenson 3R. Tons of room for two and gear. Great so far. It is relatively light for a double wall at a little under four pounds; however, it also seems to be extremely sturdy. At least for me, it is a good compromise bewteen light weight and the insistence that in so far as possible equipment failure is not an option when deep in the backcountry.