Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review
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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review on 08/19/2008 19:56:01 MDT Print View

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Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Flaps? on 08/20/2008 02:33:53 MDT Print View

Hi Will

Interesting.
> as the photo shows, the snow flaps are extra clutter when summer camping.
Seriously, just how much of a problem are the flaps in the summer time? I confess, the concept of them creating 'clutter' is not one which would have occured to me.

Cheers

Christopher Holden
(back2basics) - F - MLife

Locale: Southeast USA
Re: Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review on 08/20/2008 05:16:17 MDT Print View

Ben must be out in the sticks. I expected to see a post from him within an hour of this posting online. Stay tuned.

Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: Re: Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review on 08/20/2008 06:16:45 MDT Print View

Christopher, you just made my day :D.

Adam

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Re: Flaps? on 08/20/2008 08:01:49 MDT Print View

Hi Roger, as your post illustrates, it depends on the individual whether the flaps are an issue while summer camping. I brought it up to make readers aware of it, and they can decide for themselves whether its an issue or not.

I suspect that many buyers of this tent will only use it for summer camping, so they don't need the snow flaps. Of course then can cut them off, but the point is they can't buy a fly for the Convertible without snow flaps.

Another thing to note is the flaps serve a useful purpose when winter camping in a snow storm, but they greatly reduce the tent's ventilation because they seal off the bottom.

Best,
Will

Mary Gillam
(33238) - F
Re: Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review on 08/20/2008 05:16:17 MDT on 08/20/2008 09:45:21 MDT Print View

I've had a few uncomfortable nights when dune sand blew under the fly and settled on my face for hours. Maybe the snow flaps on the fly would help in this situation?

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent REVIEW Review on 08/20/2008 05:16:17 MDT on 08/20/2008 15:52:12 MDT Print View

> I've had a few uncomfortable nights when dune sand blew under the fly and settled on my face for hours.
New one on me!
But of course. I think the tents used by nomadic Arabs have sodcloths too.

Cheers

Peter Atkinson
(sewing_machine) - MLife

Locale: Yorkshire, England
Big Sky International Convertible 2P Tent on 08/20/2008 16:06:17 MDT Print View

Looks a cracking all round tent; I've been looking for a good light all-rounder for a while, and there really is not a tent that can be that - but this comes very close. The other tent I'm very tempted by is the Stephensons Warmlite (I also like smaller independent companies, of which there seem to be lots in the USA). This review is timely - have BPL reviewed the Warmlite?

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Stephenson's Warmlite Review? on 08/20/2008 18:12:32 MDT Print View

Hi Peter. Ask and you shall receive; we just received a Warmlite 2X from Stephensons and Chris Townsend will be doing the review. It will be published in early fall sometime, along with a State Of the Market Report on single wall tents.

Best,
Will

Peter Atkinson
(sewing_machine) - MLife

Locale: Yorkshire, England
Stephenson's Warmlite Review on 08/20/2008 18:17:31 MDT Print View

Ace! I really look forward to it (too much really, my son and partner despair how much I visit this site!).

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Snow Flaps to Keep Sand Out on 08/20/2008 18:17:34 MDT Print View

Hi Mary. Great comment. Camping in the desert when its windy results in a lot of fine sand inside your tent, and sand in everything inside. The snow flaps could be covered with sand around the perimeter to keep it from blowing in. Seems like that would work.

Best,
Will

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Delivery on 08/21/2008 01:07:42 MDT Print View

Hi Will

Given the rather rough past history, do you have any idea what the delivery schedule on these tents might be? I'm curious, and I am sure many would be interested.

Cheers

Robert Molen
(bigsky) - MLife
Convertible 2P availability on 08/21/2008 09:01:50 MDT Print View

As of today, some Convertible 2Ps are in stock at dealers and at Big Sky...

For current availability, please see:
http://www.bigskyproducts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=43

or

http://tinyurl.com/3ygqh2

Thanks for your interest,
Bob

Big Sky International
www.BigSkyInternational.com
online store: www.BigSkyProducts.com

Jason Brinkman
(jbrinkmanboi) - MLife

Locale: Idaho
Re: Flaps? on 08/21/2008 15:28:51 MDT Print View

If you wanted a dedicated summer fly AND a winter fly, couldn't you just buy one extra fly and cut the snow flaps off? It can't cost much more with the flaps than if one was offered without, right?

Robert Molen
(bigsky) - MLife
Convertible 2P availability update on 08/21/2008 16:48:49 MDT Print View

As of today, some Convertible 2Ps are in stock at dealers but NOT at Big Sky...

If you need help finding a dealer with one in stock, please let us know.

For current availability, please see:
http://www.bigskyproducts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=43

or

http://tinyurl.com/3ygqh2

Thanks for your interest,
Bob

Big Sky International
www.BigSkyInternational.com
online store: www.BigSkyProducts.com

Robert Molen
(bigsky) - MLife
Convertible 2P availability update on 08/21/2008 17:25:02 MDT Print View

I was just informed by our warehouse they "found" a couple more Convertible 2Ps... so as of today, some Convertible 2Ps are in stock at dealers AND at Big Sky... sorry for the confusion...

For current availability, please see:
http://www.bigskyproducts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=43

or

http://tinyurl.com/3ygqh2

Thanks for your interest,
Bob

Big Sky International
www.BigSkyInternational.com
online store: www.BigSkyProducts.com

Joe Westing
(pedro87) - F
poles attach to fly on 08/23/2008 16:29:48 MDT Print View

It was mentioned in the article that the poles attach to the outside of the fly. Is there any possible way of just pitching the inner mesh tent? If not, that seems like a big disadvantage, at least for me. In warmer weather, I often just pitch the inner mesh tent for superb ventilation, views, and star-watching while still keeping the bugs out. What is the advantage of having the poles attach to the outside of the fly?

R K
(oiboyroi)

Locale: South West US
Re: poles attach to fly on 08/23/2008 17:20:07 MDT Print View

What is the advantage of having the poles attach to the outside of the fly?

If you have to set up your tent while it’s raining, having the poles attached to the fly will allow you to set up your tent without getting the inside wet.

Ray Jardine mentions this in his book Beyond Backpacking. He sees many tent designs as flawed because typically you have to set up the inner tent, then throw the fly over the top. In the mean time, your nice and dry tent is becoming not so nice and dry. Makes sense to me.


Edit: Seems many non-American tent makers have figured this out already ;)

Edited by oiboyroi on 08/23/2008 17:23:07 MDT.

Joe Westing
(pedro87) - F
Re: Re: poles attach to fly on 08/23/2008 18:22:07 MDT Print View

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't think of that. However, I still personally do not like the idea of having poles attach to the outside of the fly. Many tents can be stored and stuffed w/ the fly still attached to the inner tent. When I pitch my tent in the rain, I can push the poles through the sleeve on the inner tent while the attached fly is protecting the inner tent from rain.

Edited by pedro87 on 08/23/2008 20:30:17 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: poles attach to fly on 08/24/2008 04:22:54 MDT Print View

> What is the advantage of having the poles attach to the outside of the fly?
> If you have to set up your tent while it’s raining, having the poles attached to the fly will allow you to set up your tent without getting the inside wet.

Very true.
Another advantage is that having the poles sleeved to the fly and the guys means the tent is a LOT more stable in bad weather.

> Seems many non-American tent makers have figured this out already ;)
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