Canister Stove "Ring Of Fire" design
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Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Canister Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/11/2008 08:07:51 MDT Print View

This stove is made from the top and bottom of a quart can.

I used the valve from the Brunton Remote adaptor stand.

It weighs 44grams (without valve )

The stove is very thin, 7/16ths at it's highest point. Fits in my shirt pocket.

I made 7 test burns

2 cups are boiling around 7.5 min average.

Fuel usage is 7.5 grams = 7ml of fuel per boil.

110 grams of fuel per canister equates to 12 meals per.

I use 1 cup water per pack of Ramen and 1 cup to make a drink.

I'm still far from finishing my tests. I have different ring designs using different materials. The ring concept is what I'm trying to perfect. It worked great with alcohol and now it seems to be working pretty good with canister fuel.

This new stove is "radical". I heats the water against everyones notions that flames up the side of the pot are a no-no. There are no flames that touch the bottom of the pot. This is a complete stove, no pot stand required. The pot sits right on ground zero, just as stable as you could ever want.

Just wanted to throw this concept out to all DIYselfers. Proceed with caution. More photos and information will follow as it becomes available. This is new territory for me so I'll move slow on this one

l'll post as new new info becomes available.

The video shows the flame increase and decrease as I turn the valve. No oxygen has been introduced into the system as of this posting. I'm working on a way to introduce it. Right now it's straight out of the canister. It's working fine as is. At it's bluest flame is where the tests were performed. For this designated pot set-up, introducing air may not be necessary.


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Edited by zelph on 08/11/2008 08:22:07 MDT.

Jason Klass
(jasonklass) - F

Locale: Parker, CO
Ring of Fire Stove on 08/11/2008 08:53:46 MDT Print View

Neat design Dan! I'd like to see some shots of how you connected the stove to the canister.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Ring of Fire Stove on 08/11/2008 12:21:46 MDT Print View

Hi Jason, thanks. The stove is connected basicly the same as Tony does his. For safety reasons we won't show photos of it.

Sam Haraldson
(sharalds) - MLife

Locale: Gallatin Range
Canister Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/11/2008 13:01:54 MDT Print View

Zelph, you've outdone yourself. Innovation!

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Canister Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/11/2008 15:44:52 MDT Print View

Thanks Sam!!!!

I took a break from alcohol stoves to see what it's like on the other side.

I did some modification to the stove to reduce weight and got it down to 31 grams.

The Brunton valve weighs 33 grams

Total for the two = 64 grams/2.25 oz

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Dave Heiss
(DaveHeiss) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
"Ring of Fire" stove design on 08/11/2008 22:32:50 MDT Print View

How did you feed in the fuel when you tested it with alcohol?

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: "Ring of Fire" stove design on 08/12/2008 06:39:44 MDT Print View

Hi Dave, I made an alcohol version of the Ring Of Fire first. Here are some photos of it. Fuel is poured into the center of the stove, it gets absorbed into the fiberglass wick material around it's inner circumfrence. The beer can pots are can then be put into it;s center and then lit. It's a very stable set-up for beer can pot. It also can be used for pots of a larger size because of 4 raised tabs that you can see in the photos. The stainless steel tabs support the regular pots at the just the right height.

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Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Alcohol Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/12/2008 16:03:38 MDT Print View

Hey Dan,
Your gas stove gave me an idea for a stove with 2 sets of burner holes. One inside my volcano kettle, and the other on the outside, like your fosters pot. Works like a charm.

Would you like one of my kettles in lieu of those tubes that never made it to you? Let me know.

Cheers

Rog tallbloke

Tony Beasley
(tbeasley) - MLife

Locale: Pigeon House Mt from the Castle
re:Alcohol Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/12/2008 17:34:02 MDT Print View

Hi Dan,

Welcome to the MYOG canister stove club. Your design is interesting.

"This new stove is "radical". I heats the water against everyones notions that flames up the side of the pot are a no-no. There are no flames that touch the bottom of the pot."

No one has said that only heating the sides will not work but it will not be as efficient as a small burner under the center of the base of the pot, my published tests which you have seen have shown this.

Publishing your test results with your canister and alcohol ring of fire stoves under larger diameter pots would help solve this issue.

(Hint) As it is very difficult to reproduce a canister stove tests a series of tests should be done through a range of flow rates and then graphed to compare.

"Fuel usage is 7.5 grams = 7ml of fuel per boil."

According to my figures liquid Propane has a density of 0.51 kg/l and liquid Butane has a density of 0.58kg/l which if you where using a 70/30 butane/propane mixture the volume of 7.5g fuel would be about 13.5 mls.

Tony

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: re:Alcohol Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/13/2008 08:08:52 MDT Print View

"Would you like one of my kettles in lieu of those tubes that never made it to you? Let me know."

That would be nice tallbloke, send it on over =)

"No one has said that only heating the sides will not work but it will not be as efficient as a small burner under the center of the base of the pot, my published tests which you have seen have shown this."

It's my way of saying "dont't worry about the flames going up the side of the pot"

"Publishing your test results with your canister and alcohol ring of fire stoves under larger diameter pots would help solve this issue.
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I agree with you on that point, I'll slowly work my way into being more comparative. I'm in a clean out garage mode and hope to find some of my better test equipment =)

"Fuel usage is 7.5 grams = 7ml of fuel per boil."

I used a website that told me grams to mls was the same. I'm glad your here to keep me in the right direction. Thanks Tony!!!! Just yesterday I was reviewing your test results on pot sizes vs fuel consumption and heating times. I have alot of time to study up on canisters. I think I said 4 years might get me in shape to make a good stove =)

Tony Beasley
(tbeasley) - MLife

Locale: Pigeon House Mt from the Castle
Re: re:Alcohol Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on on 08/13/2008 15:53:21 MDT Print View

Hi Dan,

"I agree with you on that point, I'll slowly work my way into being more comparative. I'm in a clean out garage mode and hope to find some of my better test equipment =)"

I look forward to seeing some results.

and good luck with the cleanup, I am unable to find anything after my garage cleanups.

My motto is a 'place for everything and everything all over the place'

Tony

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: re:Alcohol Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on on 08/13/2008 18:55:20 MDT Print View

Hi Tony, all is going well. I found my digital thermometer while cleaning. I adopted your motto long time ago and I can't find anything. ;)

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"Fluke" is the brand name.

Edited by zelph on 08/13/2008 18:59:38 MDT.

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Re: re:Alcohol Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 08/15/2008 02:41:43 MDT Print View

Dan: PM me your address.

Rog

Justin Chaussee
(judach) - F

Locale: Earth
cool on 10/17/2008 23:17:42 MDT Print View

Wow, great job on that stove! It looks really cool. Just out of curiosity, what is the advantage of having the flame burn on the side of the pot rather than underneath? I've never seen a design like that before and it intrigues me. Anyway, great job!

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
Ring of Fire on 10/17/2008 23:26:49 MDT Print View

Very Impressive!!!! Love this website!!!!

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: cool on 10/20/2008 21:14:16 MDT Print View

Justin, the design was of the "out side the box" way of thinking. It's the most stable stove for the Heineken pot. The pot sits inside the stove on ground zero. Totally stable.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Remote canister "Bud Blaster" on 11/08/2008 18:06:10 MST Print View

From one extreme to another. This one is a single jet sideburner. It turned out to be a little too large of a jet. I need to do some serious tweeking. Made with an aluminum beer bottle.

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Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Canister Stove "Ring Of Fire" design on 11/08/2008 22:32:06 MST Print View

I never cease to be amazed at the creativity displayed!

That said, I too would like to see some figures on fuel efficiency and CO emission. They would be nice to have.

Cheers
Roger

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Remote canister "Bud Blaster" on 11/08/2008 22:33:19 MST Print View

Creative, but ... not inside MY tent in a storm thank you! You need to shorten those flames a bit.

Cheers
Roger

Devin Montgomery
(dsmontgomery) - MLife

Locale: one snowball away from big trouble
Re: Remote canister "Bud Blaster" on 11/09/2008 12:46:40 MST Print View

That is extremely scary, but just think of the dual use possibilities. Just bring an oversized tent, create a rig for holding the burner, lash on your backpack as a harness and there you go - 1 man hot air balloon.