anyone know the weight of the boxers and striped stove setup?

Yep.
Besides which a decision should be made beteen the Simmerlite and Xtreme stoves. I still would like to see the Xtreme in action on this trip-- in it's modded, weight saving form. Perhaps everyone should say their say about this.

Ryan F., patiance, man! :-)> We have until Dec. 7. Why are you dropping the quest for fire?
I think that very few people could use the pad system you propose ( and my Balaclava is off to you for your ability to do so)---at least with any degree of sleep induced comfort, even for cold-conditioned me. I would like to see a system more people could emulate. A bad, safety challenging example could be set for those less experienced who might try this for themselves.

kevin do you know the weight of the striped stove set up? I will change my list to this when I know the weight.
what do you recomend for the pad system? I made sure to give Ryan an extra 1/8" over my setup. I think this will work fine.

Edited by ryanf on 11/27/2005 17:48:39 MST.

Sripped stove could be 7 oz. Powermax cartridge weight is mentioned earlier on the thread.

No VB pants compromises the sleep system--besides which they would pretty much fulfill the things the eVENT pants would do on this kind of trip. I was thinking the Stephenson VB pants, I think they are superior, but if RBH was doing a prototype, that would be killer. Back to you with weight.

Ryan--for pad system,add a GG Night Light torso pad( 3.7 oz.) to what you have down and I think it would be fine.

Edited by kdesign on 11/27/2005 17:56:33 MST.

Ryan writes:

>> do you know the weight of the striped stove set up?

Ryan. I'd tentatively figure 8oz for the stove. This could be achieved with a mild stripping. The final weight may even be less.

A single 300g cartridge weighs 14oz full and 3.5oz empty.

I changed my list to coleman xtreme stove.

are the VB pants worn OK, withdown knickers for camp? will this be warm enough, I think so?

should we ditch th Met 5 or keep it as worn?
dose anyone know the weight of smartwool boxers?

Edited by ryanf on 11/27/2005 17:58:20 MST.

Kevin writes:

>> No VB pants compromises the sleep system.

Hmm. (intrigued...) Please explain.

>> besides which they would pretty much fulfill the things the eVENT pants would do on this kind of trip.

I envision the eVent pants to be worn all the time. This is close to the (heavier!) system I use of Arcteryx Beta AR pants over mid weight powerdry. (We get a lot of wet snow in my area.)

Wouldn't the VB pants only be used for digging and sleeping?

Edited by MikeMartin on 11/27/2005 18:01:16 MST.

do you guys want me to change pants worn to the ID event and move the VB to carried?

what about the met 5? keep or discard?

I think wearing the VB and having the dowm knickers for camp will be warm enough, what do you think?

I noticed how close I have come to sub 5 without trying to. should we go for it? right now it is only .05oz we need to loose.

Edited by ryanf on 11/27/2005 18:04:54 MST.

Ryan writes:

>> do you guys want me to change pants worn to the ID event and move the VB to carried?

I'm not opposed to the original VB+Gamma setup. I'd just like to hear why Kevin prefers it to eVent+midweight layer. If we did go eVent, I think we ditch the VB pants. (Again, I'd like Kevin's take on this.)

Edited by MikeMartin on 11/27/2005 18:05:11 MST.

I think what we should do is have Ryan wear long smartwool underwear with VB pants and have quantum down knickers for camp.
no gama or ID

The VB pants are in conjunction w/ the RBH VB jacket and VB sox, the VBL system for the bag which is going to make it possible for Ryan to sleep warm and dry enough w/ the rest of his sleep setup. Otherwise, a dedicated VBL should be taken.
The eVENT pants would not perform the VB fuction well---body moisture would transpire out into the bag and would not offer as much warmth as an additional layer.
The VB pants would also be worn 24/7 on the trail . Quite a few Winter mountaineers are comfortable with doing this--admittedly not all ( including me)---but I believe RJ has stated he is very positive about using VB clothing.

Edited by kdesign on 11/27/2005 18:14:38 MST.

Thanks, Kevin. I'm in.

Ryan F -- I have no experience with the MET 5 jacket, but I just googled it. It looks kind of gimmicky and heavy to me. Have you tried it with good results?

Best Regards,

-Mike

Edited by MikeMartin on 11/27/2005 18:15:00 MST.

OK as of right now I have changed my list to include VB pants and montbell 05Z-L Exp. Tights for on the trail.

I havent used the north face met 5 jacket so I took it off the list. but I think I should put it back. or put another soft shell on. what do you think of the jacket?

or instead of a shell mabey just a shirt. Im liking the mont bell Zeo-Line 3D Zip-shirt

Edited by ryanf on 11/27/2005 18:21:28 MST.

Misunderstood your idea, Ryan

Edited by kdesign on 11/27/2005 18:28:13 MST.

Wait what did you misunderstand?

I have already added the montbell 05Z-L Exp. Tights. they look real warm and are probably called expedition for a reason.

my question is should we add a top as well the Zeo-Line 3D Zip-shirt looks warm too. there are reveiws on the MB site.

Edited by ryanf on 11/27/2005 18:31:01 MST.

It would be an appropriate gesture to use synthetic baselayers under the VB clothing for added warmth. Beware the weight and sizing on Montbell's undies--they are small Japanese sizes. I'm personally more familiar with Patagonia's Capilene and Golite's midweight baselayers which would be similar in warmth .

Edited by kdesign on 11/27/2005 18:40:28 MST.

if you give me specific examples with weights, I will add them to le list. I still think the MB look good.

I need to sit down and reflect on this layering approach but in the meantime-- Golite Endurance tights-- 8 oz.
Patagonia MW zip t --8.5 oz.

added to the list.

my list is now 4.99 lbs.

I changed princeton tech lamp to petzl tikkia plus and moved backup light to worn on lanyard

yes.

Edited by ryanf on 11/27/2005 19:36:05 MST.