> I don't mind using prototypes that are slated to eventually hit the market, like the Cocoon Belay Jacket, but do let's try to keep this with gear that is available from commercial manufacturers by anybody. Custom or prototypes are fine, like the 2mm neoprene overboots / RBH VB jacket, but let's keep the homemade stuff out for now. Anything I've offered up is all fair game.
> I want this exercise to be as accessible as possible to everyone involved.
and Kevin wrote:
> Let's see some lists that fail in terms of getting down to these weights but suceed in terms of keeping our esteemed Tester alive and comfortable.
This seems to be something which has drifted in and out of the discussion at times. Just what IS the point of this exercise? Is it to get Ryan out there for a few days with what he has in his pockets as a once-off survival exercise, or is it an experiment working towards what is genuinely possible winter SUL for many people?
I believe Ryan's original target really was the latter. So this exercise has to be repeatable by others, and enjoyable (sort of!).
I can rememebr back 15 years ago or more when any extended trip (more than 1 night) always involved packs over 20 kg. Now the UL market is the hot outdoors market - at least in the warm dry months of the year. OK, now let's push the envelope outwards a bit into winter. But not as a masochistic survival exercise.
Cheers, Roger Caffin
(I started walking over 45 years ago. I started winter camping around 40 yrs ago, and extended ski touring maybe 15 years ago.
The Australian winter weather is usually reliably foul. Sigh.)