Calorie dence food?
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 Jay Wilkerson (Creachen) - MLife Locale: East Bay Calorie dence food? on 05/07/2008 21:22:58 MDT What are some of the most calorie dence backpacking foods out there?
 Denis Hazlewood (redleader) - MLife Locale: Luxury-Light Luke on the Llano Azul Re: Calorie dence food? on 05/08/2008 17:40:27 MDT My guess would be in the "Energy Bar" asile.
 Tom Kirchner (ouzel) - MLife Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra Re: Calorie dence food? on 05/08/2008 20:44:31 MDT Hi Jay,Nuts, nut butters, chocolate(especially 70% or more cacao content), potato/corn/multigrain chips(>140 cal/oz-not baked), high fat crackers, oils(most are in the 240-250 cal/oz range), hard cheeses. The underlying reality is that carbohydrates contain 4 cal/gram, protein 4 cal/gram, and fats 9 cal/gram. With this basic info, you can analyze the nutrition labels on foods and choose those that are both palatable and calorie dense. As Dr J mentioned on his Arctic1000 website, aim for an average calorie density in the 130-140/oz range when planning your trip menu. Some items will be less, some more, according to your taste. Experiment and find out what works for you. Edited by ouzel on 05/09/2008 18:01:54 MDT.
 Roleigh Martin (marti124) - MLife Locale: Moderator-JohnMuirTrail Yahoo Group Re: Calorie dense food - the entire formula (dead weight 1/lb/day) on 05/08/2008 21:08:59 MDT I use an Excel Spreadsheet that figures out how much protein grams, fat grams, and digestable carb grams I will be getting per day. There are two types of carb grams - digestable and nondigestable carb grams. To get the most dense food, it has to have the least moisture, the least fiber, the least nondigestable carb grams, and the least air. Examples of extreme dense foods: whey protein, dehydrated beans, nuts, dried fruit, beef jerky, cytomax muscle-recovery protein-rich shakes, oatmeal, dried milk, food bars, Emergen-C powdered drink, pasta noodles. (We do bring on the trail meat in a pouch though (alternating between salmon, tuna, chicken) to add in with the meals, such as the Enertia Trail Foods mix, which I favor.For the last 6 years, I have gotten by with one pound of dead-weight food per person per day on the trail and always, I have failed to eat it all. I do carry some of my calories as body fat. I eat about 3,000 calories a day (at about a 40-30-30 percent ratio of carbs, protein, fat calories), and I figure I'm burning about 7,000 calories a day, burning up 4,000 of bodyfat per day. Last year, I lost 17 pounds of fat in 15 days, gained 9 pounds of muscle, and lost 3 " around the waist. I have a bodyfat weight scale that told me this.
 Tom Kirchner (ouzel) - MLife Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra Difference between calorie dense and physically dense on 05/09/2008 18:00:46 MDT I think there is some confusion about the difference between physically dense food, i.e. food from which air, H2O, and non calorie carbs(fiber) have been removed and calorie dense food, i.e. food high in fat(which contains 9 calories/gram vs 4 cal/gram in carbs and protein). In Roleigh's post, most of his food items are high in carbs, both fiber and caloric, and protein, nuts being the exception. This probably explains the loss of so much body fat on backpacking trips, because his dietary carbs provide the carbohydrate "flame" in which fat must "burn". Not a bad approach, IMO, because stored body fat does not need to be digested and is available as required, providing a very efficient energy source for the slow steady demands of backpacking if adequate carbs(dietary or stored muscle/liver glycogen) are available to "burn" it in. I use a variation of this approach on all my trips, with a slightly different ratio of 45/45/10 for carbs, fat, and protein; this is because I am physiologically incapable of accumulating that much body fat under normal conditions and thus need to pack the calories in dietary form if I am to meet my energy needs without cannibalizing my body tissue as a trip extends out into the 10 plus day range.
 Thom Darrah (thomdarrah) - MLife Locale: Southern Oregon "calorie dence food" on 05/09/2008 18:57:56 MDT When hiking long and hard I often supplement my diet with a weight gain protein powder that can be mixed with just water. GNC and other sources carry such products which are fairly high in both calories and protein and weigh very little i powdwe form. Test mix preferences and flavor/product selection at home prior to using on a trip.A product such as "Twinlab" Mass Fuel Pro. Edited by thomdarrah on 05/09/2008 19:05:32 MDT.
 Jay Wilkerson (Creachen) - MLife Locale: East Bay High Calorie food on 05/10/2008 10:46:38 MDT Hey thanks for all of the great info. Olive oil mixed into meals, PB, pine nuts, macadaium nuts, candy bars also sunflower seeds, any jerky. I wonder what the calories of say one trout is? Again thanks for the insightful info.
 Richard DeLong (Legkohod) - MLife Locale: Eastern Europe / Caucasus Re: Calorie dence food? on 05/10/2008 13:02:13 MDT A favorite of Eastern European mountaineers and backpackers for cold-weather hiking is pig fat. I wonder if it can be found in the U.S. It really is great stuff for cold weather.
 Ryan Gardner (splproductions) - F - M Locale: Salt Lake City, UT To Tom Kirchner: on 06/06/2008 07:13:49 MDT Hey Tom - would you mind posting some samples of what foods you would bring per day? I have a BMI of 19 - I can't afford to lose any weight and I can't find a way to gain any. My goal is to try to replace every calorie I burn (I know that's probably impossible) without bringing 5lbs of food a day.Lately I've been packing a whole lot of:Peanut M&M'sSwedish FishHershey's Milk Chocolate barsI'll eat that all day long, with some instant oatmeal in the morning and some ramen noodles at night. I calculate the calories for the food, but I haven't been factoring in the other things you are talking about.
 Roleigh Martin (marti124) - MLife Locale: Moderator-JohnMuirTrail Yahoo Group Re: To Tom Kirchner: on 06/06/2008 07:43:06 MDT Ryan, you need to ensure you bring along enough protein (to save weight, bring powdered whey protein). Itemize the amount of grams of carb, protein, fat you bring.