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Jeremy Cleaveland
(jeremy11) - F

Locale: Exploring San Juan talus
SUL list on 04/01/2008 21:08:18 MDT Print View

SUL pack (dyneema gridstop, Jay Ham
pattern) 9.3 oz
10 deg. down quilt 28 oz
9x5 silnylon tarp
w/stakes and cord 14oz
torso sized pad 4oz
driducks jacket 5oz
Liberty Ridge windcoat 3oz
big trash bag
(pack liner/groundcloth) 4oz
Photon ReX light +AAA 1oz
knife/firesteel 1oz
map 4oz
1st aid/repair/tinder 3oz
3L platypus bladder 4oz
Total: 5 lbs!!!!
**weights are mostly estimates, but the loaded pack on an old spring scale read sub 5
Sacrifices: 1 oz compass, 7 oz primaloft vest, 3 oz windpants, esbit or open fire cookgear, lighter, extra socks, headlamp,...
my sleeping bag is heavy and warm, and my tarp is "heavy" silnylon but I don't feel like buying/making a thinner bag and a Cuben tarp. I prefer not to have a disposable pack.
I live in the San Juans, so the extra clothing could be nice. probably I'll try the sub 5 kit a couple times then go to a 6lb kit.

David Wills
(willspower3) - F
Re: SUL list on 04/02/2008 00:51:24 MDT Print View

you could drop the LR windcoat. I love my driducks for their breathability. good job on the list

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: SUL list on 04/02/2008 06:56:45 MDT Print View

Where did you get the Dyneema gridstop?
It was impossible to find for a long time, has that changed?
and how bout some pix of your pack. I always wanted to make somthing like my Ion but at about 2000 cubes. Much easier to stuff everything in with another 500 or so cubes.
Thanks!

Jeremy Cleaveland
(jeremy11) - F

Locale: Exploring San Juan talus
SUL list on 04/02/2008 08:57:31 MDT Print View

SUL pack
the dyneema gridstop I got a few years ago for another project, and just recently found a big piece in my fabric boxes, and put it to use. I used the Jay Ham "5 yards to SUL" pattern, but made each side panel 1" wider, and the top 1" taller. It has the D-clip system like my Cilogear packs, and they are spaced so it can clip onto my 60L worksack. Last night I added a zipper to the side pocket.
I really can't bear to part with my LR shell. everytime I leave it, I regret it, and hiking in the San Juans there is a lot of miles above treeline, where wind gear is more important than elsewhere.

Clothing worn:
long sleeve EMS zip-T techwick
cord around neck with Fox40 whistle and photon freedom light
Columbia running shorts
Wild Things Gear schoeller dynamic pants
Darn Tough thin running socks
Montrail Hardrock (middle and bottom layers of tongue cut out) w/OR rocky mountain low gaiters
Sunglasses and bandana(typically worn all day here, or add 2oz to the pack so I'm not artificially lowering the base weight)
another sacrifice is the camera.


its still basically winter here, and there will be lots of snow here for 2 months, and we had a really big snow year, so trying this list will have to wait.

Edited by jeremy11 on 04/02/2008 08:59:25 MDT.

Richard DeLong
(Legkohod) - MLife

Locale: Eastern Europe / Caucasus
Cut tongues... on 04/02/2008 12:08:02 MDT Print View

Jeremy, one question here. Have you cut out the tongues of your Hardrocks for weight savings or for comfort? I have the same shoes.

Jeremy Cleaveland
(jeremy11) - F

Locale: Exploring San Juan talus
SUL list - Re: cut tongues on 04/02/2008 13:53:58 MDT Print View

I'd been going tongueless for several years after reading Beyond Backpacking, but now much of my hiking is on rough trails or off trail on talus, scree, snow, etc, so my last couple pairs I've cut out the padding and one side of the tongue, leaving only one layer of tongue in. That way I can have increased breathability, decreased drying time, and they can still be used with shortie gaiters for scree protection. Weight is a nice little bonus, but not the point. the point is breathability while still being able to use gaiters. On the Hardrocks I left the top layer of tongue, on La Sportiva Exum Ridge, I left the bottom layer of fabric. It just depends on the shoe. I also put seam grip on the major seams straight out of the box (so they were still clean), which so far is seeming to help their durability.

Richard DeLong
(Legkohod) - MLife

Locale: Eastern Europe / Caucasus
Re: SUL list - Re: cut tongues on 04/02/2008 14:05:15 MDT Print View

Great idea! I'm going to have to try that. I had felt the shoes were slightly tight, and their drying time could be improved.

The only way I can think of to significantly reduce weight in your list is to do the poncho-tarp combo -- otherwise, looks pretty minimalistic in the good sense.

Edited by Legkohod on 04/02/2008 14:07:55 MDT.

Jeremy Cleaveland
(jeremy11) - F

Locale: Exploring San Juan talus
SUL list on 04/02/2008 14:24:50 MDT Print View

I like the poncho-tarp concept for its simplicity and multi-use, but don't care to be running around above treeline in a thunderstorm on steep talus tripping over my poncho trying not to blow away.
The real kicker on weight is the sleeping bag, but that is the most expensive to replace.

as a bonus side-note, I just vacuum sealed 4 tinder quicks for an always dry emergency tinder source (even the plastic is probably flammable....) it weights almost nothing, and since it is sealed I'll always count that as backup and not for day-to-day usage.

Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
"SUL List" on 04/02/2008 15:05:05 MDT Print View

Jeremy, I do not see a stove/cook system listed, do you go cookless?

I'm embarrassed to admit my three season kit is 9-11 pounds before food and water. Maybe I need to find a BPH (heavy) site to join.

I do not see myself cutting up shoes to drop a little weight. I'm very fit but could likely drop a pound or two prior to starting a trip and then I'd be able to leave the tongue in my heavy Montrail Hardrocks.

Jeremy Cleaveland
(jeremy11) - F

Locale: Exploring San Juan talus
SUL list on 04/02/2008 20:37:27 MDT Print View

I don't normally go cookless, but in the summer for a couple nights it would be fine. or maybe bring a pot and do cookfires? the lighter weight dry food might make up for the pot's weight.
9-11 pounds is a lot more normal for me too, especially since most of my backpacking is either guiding campers, so I take my "heavy" Cilogear 60L, ultralight personal gear, then guide gear, group gear, and food. Or I'll be out for some backcountry rock climbing, so its ultralight personal stuff in the 60L, plus a rope, rack, harness, helmet, slings, biners, maybe some glacier gear, food,.....