I would observe, though, that by the time a disruption in the food chain is imminent, we'll all have Climate! Alarm!! Fatigue!!!, only it'll be from hypoxia
If that were true we would have thousands of years to sort it out. Unfortunately, a serious crop failure due to bad weather hitting 'just in time' monoculture cereal production will cause serious food riots and starvation. I'm sure this is not the way Lynn wants to see nice orderly population control come into effect. We *must* be prepared, and at the moment we are not. As things stand, if Katla blew it's top in Iceland, Britain would be in big trouble. With aircraft grounded and no merchant fleet left, the food imports we rely on would become a logistical nightmare, assuming they were still available to import anyway.
Wind/solar/geothermal/tidal/hydro and yes, even nuclear, as well as technologies not yet developed, are all options, though the ~30 year lag time to get new nuclear plants on line makes it a medium term solution, though about the right time frame to replace oil and coal. I admit nuclear would be my last choice
Sounds nice but it's not realistic for the UK. If this very cold winter continues (You know, the one I correctly forecast months ago), there is a strong chance we will run short of liquid natural gas and see restrictions on power use. Last year there were a lot of excess deaths among pensioners, some of whom who were reduced to burning books to stay alive. I kid you not. I'm sure this isn't the way you want to see nice orderly population reduction implemented either.
This assumed physical world we live in, the one we built and govern, could evovle into something completely different if we allow those who imagine it a chance to have their say instead of being called "unrealistic" or "bleeding hearts" or "air headed". Not one of today's developments could have come about without those who dream. Not one.
"Democracy is the worst form of government except the others that have been tried."
- Winston Churchill -
Put it up as a manifesto and see how many you can get to vote for it. It seems to me that the arrogance of the greens is that they think they know better than everybody else how we should all live. Yet they base their ideology on unproven science and propagandize with known falsehoods about glacier melt, sea level rise, global surface temperature and epidemiology. One thing you can be sure of is that Al Gore, George Soros and the rest of the green jet set will continue to lord it around the world having conferences in exotic locations before sunning themselves in their electricity burning seaside villas with the big picture windows while the rest of us scrimp and scrape. That kind of hypocrisy has me reaching for my pitchfork. I'm already growing my own veg and avoiding fossil fuel use as much as possible. I don't need these hypocrites to tell me how to live.
They got caught with their knickers down and paid the price.
No Tom, they haven't paid the price. A shell shocked establishment is still in denial and propping up the house of cards by 'exonerating' these people with whitewash Inquiries. The public is looking askance at the naked emperor. Belief in the official line is down to 26% in the UK.
What would be your estimate of the percentage who have sold out?
It's not as black and white as that. Scientists tend to fall in line with the policy statements made by the institutions they are affiliated to, and funded by. Observation of groupthink is not a cheap insult or accusation, it is a sociological fact.
Dave T says:
I can't wait to go talk about lightweight backpacking on a global warming net-forum and show them a thing or two! I'll seem so smart! I will dismiss with abandon! I'll make up words that don't exist and boy they'll feel dumb!
I was a backpacker long before I became an engineer and studied science. I contributed plenty to the backpacking discussion on BPL before this thread was started *by someone else*. When people stop taking an interest in this thread it will die a natural death. Until then, we are having an interesting and passionate debate, nothwithstanding the snide and worthless comments you put into it.