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John Haley
(Quoddy) - F

Locale: New York/Vermont Border
Re: Ti Goat straps on 03/06/2008 06:17:45 MST Print View

Mark...
There is a slot headed mini bolt holding the straps on the TiGoat Adjustables. I wasn't sure when I added them on whether I was going to use them, but have found that they are convenient for most applications. Don't get the idea that these straps, on their own, are going to hold a person's entire weight via their wrist. They're an assist for the hand grip only, and keep the poles, in my case, from occasionally coming out of my hand. I've used the straps for about the last 100 miles of the 600 miles I have put on them since last spring.

Sven Klingemann
(svenklingemann) - F
Non-adjustable poles on 03/06/2008 07:34:08 MST Print View

I also have been using non-adjustable poles; the reason I would go for the TI Goat adjustable ones is that I need to be able to bring my poles on a plane ... which is not an option with one-section poles, if I am not mistaken (?)
S.

Rob Blazoff
(Genetic) - F

Locale: Out back, brewing beer in BPA.
Checked on 03/06/2008 08:40:34 MST Print View

Can't you check them? They would need protection like a sportube or a cardboard tube.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
New BPL carbon Stix on 03/06/2008 09:15:06 MST Print View

Yes. Trekking poles can travel in checked baggage on aircraft. I usually just strap mine to the outside of my bag, with the tip guards in place and the entire pack in a light, home-made duffle. Out of sight = out of mind, or at lest it cuts down on curiosity and potential hand-holds for baggage handlers. I don't want them grabbing a pole as a handle.

You will definitely want to protect them, especially the CF varieties, from side blows. Use a heavy mailing tube.

Jonathan Ryan
(Jkrew81) - F - M

Locale: White Mtns
Re: Info on Stix on 03/07/2008 09:16:22 MST Print View

Ryan/Doug,
What is the durability of these poles in comparison to the Life Link Guide Ultra Lite which is my usage have seemed rather bomb proof? I have used a pair of these for the last 4 years and the only reason I am changing it up is b/c I want a longer reach with the pole. Thanks for the feedback.

Rod Guajardo
(Rod_G) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Stix length question on 03/07/2008 09:20:21 MST Print View

Anyone have a recommendation on what length a 5'10" person would best be suited using?

Thanks,
Rod

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: Re: Info on Stix on 03/07/2008 09:43:28 MST Print View

>> What is the durability of these poles in comparison to the Life Link Guide Ultra Lite?

Jonathan -- we really shouldn't compare these, because the two poles are in completely different categories.

The LLGUL is a multi-section pole so it will suffer (not unique to this pole, but applicable to any multi-section pole) from failures at the joints and adjustment mechanisms, and won't be as stiff.

Let's talk about "Durability" as a characteristic unique to the shaft, then.

A stiffer shaft can be more and less durable than a less stiff shaft.

Stiff shafts don't bend as much, so if you do get the tip stuck in something, they are less forgiving and more prone to catastrophic failure.

But, because stiff shafts don't bend as much, you are less likely to damage a shaft simply by leveraging your body weight on it, as might occur if you're going downhill, plant your pole, lose your balance, and end up transferring the entire weight of your body and pack into the pole. Pole shafts that bend can bend to the point of failure.

The latter is a rare occurrence, and one that I never worry about. I'm not carrying 250 lb of body and pack weight either, so maybe it's a more critical issue for somebody else.

However, breaking a pole at a tip because the tip gets stuck is not as rare. This was the single biggest motivation for me to change shafts from the old Stix to the new Stix, and why I haven't had good success with thin poles like the the GG ones. The new Stix aren't immune to tip breakage, but the tips are more durable than either the GG or old Stix.

Now, back to the Guide Ultralight. Tip durability on the lower carbon shafts of Life-Link poles is awesome. One of the best on the market, in my opinion. The disadvantage is that you do pay a significant weight penalty for it - the LL carbon poles (even the fixed length ones at 12 oz/pr) are starting to get up in to the realm of "not ultralight", and this does affect your swing cadence significantly.

Ryan

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Stix length question on 03/07/2008 10:19:30 MST Print View

Rod, probably 120 to 125 cm

Jonathan Ryan
(Jkrew81) - F - M

Locale: White Mtns
Re: Re: Re: Info on Stix on 03/07/2008 10:47:59 MST Print View

Awesome, thanks Ryan. My fiance and I just ordered a pair each last night and these def sound like exactly when we are looking for.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
Poles on 03/07/2008 11:01:50 MST Print View

As for me it is a moot point as they do not come in a 140cm variant. And why can't anyone make cork grips for CF poles?

But really, I probably wouldn't get them in the 140cm if it was available because I like to collapse my poles and put them in my pack when traveling or hiking through a town so that sticky hands don't pry them loose and go running down a side street in addition to getting caught on everything within 3' of myself.

I am currently using a pair of the Leki cork handled Tours which work okay but I am still trying to justify to myself buying a pair of the Titanium Goats.

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Re: Info on Stix on 03/07/2008 11:06:52 MST Print View

Ryan,

How are these poles measured? I recall the previous poles had a detailed description of how they where measured, and I believe it was not to the end of the tip?

Thanks!

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Stix Measurements on 03/07/2008 11:11:36 MST Print View

In response to Daniel's question: "How are Stix measured?"

Answer: from the very bottom of the tip to the very top of the handle.

Hope that helps!

David McClure
(DQ) - F
life span? on 03/09/2008 18:17:43 MDT Print View

What's the longevity of these things? Would they last a PCT thru-hike?

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: life span? on 03/09/2008 23:13:46 MDT Print View

Regarding the life span of CF poles.

If you jam a tip deep into ice, a crack between rocks, tundra, etc., and then leverage the pole in a pivot around the stuck tip, the lifespan could be as short as minutes from the trailhead.

Otherwise, I can't imagine they wouldn't last the length of a thru-hike on a trail.

I'd suggest you contact Gossamer Gear and ask them what they think the expected life span of their Lightrek 2's and 3's have been, and use that as a lower limit, since Stix, Komperdell, Life-Link, and REI carbon poles all have thicker walls at the tips than the Lightreks.

My guess is that Gossamer Gear might think this is a funny inquiry, because I know they've seen some of their customers use these poles over some very long distances.

So, my answer is that in the absence of catastrophic failure, the durability of carbon poles is pretty good, and is a function of wall thickness at the tip, and its ability to repeatedly resist weakening resulting from normal nicks and scratches down there.

Jason Brinkman
(jbrinkmanboi) - MLife

Locale: Idaho
Re: Stix length question on 03/10/2008 00:14:28 MDT Print View

I ordered a pair yesterday in 135. I am 6'4" and that is the length I identified through trial and error with adjustable poles over the last couple years. I could get by with 130, but they'd be a little short for fast downhill use. I find I would rather choke-up for steep staight up climbs and palm the top for extra reach on slow decents than adjust poles anyway.

At 5'10" if you subtract half the difference in our heights, I would recommend 125. But that's if you use them like I do - a lot like cross country ski poles on fast walks.

RJ - digging the price. Thanks!!!