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BILL BALLOWE
(billinmt) - F - MLife

Locale: www.whiteboxstoves.com
WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 15:52:17 MST Print View

Just thought I would mention that the White Box Stove as been improved. I recently changed the way that I seal the two sections of the stove together. Instead of using the triple rivets I now "Cope Roll" the top edge. This forms a super seam that is airtight. The looks of the new model are a lot cleaner also without the unsightly rivets sticking out all over.

I do give credit for this new seal to Tinny from Minibull Design who voluntarily offered me one of his trade secrets. He saw a good product and showed me how to make it better. Thanks Tinny!!

There are getting to be a lot of "White Box Clones" out there now and from what I've heard they are having a hard time keeping the top seam between the two halves from leaking because rivets just don't do a real good job or the top edges get bent during use. Our old WB model stove didn't have a leak problem because of the way we finished them after installing the rivets. But apparently some of the other clones haven't figured that out yet.

I am also making the stove a little shorter for better stability and at the same time it will hold a little more fuel. Sounds wrong that you could make something smaller yet have larger volume but tweaking the old design has allowed me to do that. Being that the stove is shorter than the original model it is also just a little lighter in weight.

Along with the added fuel capacity I have been able to boil 8 cups of 47 degree on one fill of fuel. That was in my basement so other environments will have different outcomes but it is now possible to use this stove to boil water for 3 or 4 campers at one time.

We have also incorporated a simple fuel gauge which is a built in safety feature. It allows you to see the maximum amount of fuel you can safely add to the stove so you don't cause a fire hazard by leaking fuel out the burner holes.

White Box Stoves--- again leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.

Bill in MT
White Box Stove New Model

Edited by billinmt on 03/04/2008 15:59:11 MST.

george carr
(hammer-one) - F

Locale: Walking With The Son
Re: WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 15:58:30 MST Print View

>There are getting to be a lot of "White Box Clones" out there now and from what I've heard they are having a hard time keeping the top seam between the two halves from leaking because rivets just don't do a real good job or the top edges get bent during use. Our old WB model stove didn't have a leak problem because of the way we finished them after installing the rivets. But apparently some of the other clones haven't figured that out yet.<

You're right Bill, SOME of the clones haven't figured it out. You can tell just by looking at their pictures. The last step is so easy and simple, it gets overlooked by the "Saturday Night Specials".

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 16:26:42 MST Print View

Looks great Bill, nice work! Evolution--it's a beautiful thing.

What are the dimensions and weight of the new model, if you don't mind?

Thanks.

BILL BALLOWE
(billinmt) - F - MLife

Locale: www.whiteboxstoves.com
Height and weight on 03/04/2008 16:42:42 MST Print View

Weight wise the new model is probably only a couple grams less but my scale isn't that accurate.

Height wise the new model is approximately 1/8 inch shorter.

Bill in MT

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 16:42:50 MST Print View

As Bill knows, I have several of his stoves that I have lent to and demonstrated to several friends and acquaintances. So apart from my own use, I have seen many boils from them but never a leak from the rim. The new design does look very "clean".
Franco

BILL BALLOWE
(billinmt) - F - MLife

Locale: www.whiteboxstoves.com
Warm in Australia... Snow in Montana on 03/04/2008 16:46:36 MST Print View

Thanks for the Kudos Franco... how is summer in Australia... here in Montana it is snowing right now..... Can't wait to get into some good backpacking weather..

Bill in MT

Peter Surna
(PedroArvy) - MLife

Locale: Melbourne
This stove would be perfect if it hand a strong simmer capacity on 03/04/2008 17:40:21 MST Print View

This stove would be perfect if it had a strong simmer capacity.

As it is, I can't use it as my meals violently boil over.

If only I could simmer with a really weak flame for 5 minutes or so.

Edited by PedroArvy on 03/05/2008 00:34:34 MST.

Jason Klass
(jasonklass) - F

Locale: Parker, CO
Re: WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 18:25:24 MST Print View

Nice work Bill! Hey, maybe in a few years, my old riveted design will become a priceless collectable! ;)

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 19:43:24 MST Print View

Pedro,
you make a good point. The WB boils fast and then it speeds up...
Works well for my style. I just use less than 1 ounce of fuel, bring my food to a boil and wait for the flame to go out, usually one or two minutes after that (depending on wind and air/water temperature). As soon as it stops boiling I shove the pot inside a cozy ( at the moment a foil bag that my dry cat food comes in) and wrap that with whatever spare clothing I have. Depending on what I am cooking 10 to 20 minutes later it is ready and still hot.
Works well with my titanium pot because the food does not stick to it that way.
That gives me time for the sunset or to fiddle with my nighttime set up.

Bill
I have just received some pics from Montana. Lots of snow. Some go camping because of it ....
Franco

Jason
I have some priceless ideas. Yep, no one wants to pay for them.

Jason Klass
(jasonklass) - F

Locale: Parker, CO
Re: WHITE BOX STOVE IMPROVED on 03/04/2008 20:15:02 MST Print View

Franco,
That's what makes them "Price-less", hee, hee. ;)

James Loy
(jimbluz) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
White Box Stove on 03/06/2008 17:05:13 MST Print View

Now that Gossamer Gear has discontinued this stove, where can a person buy the improved version (Piragis.com?)?

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: White Box Stove on 03/06/2008 17:06:58 MST Print View

I carry it on my website - I have the new ones in stock (first one to get them!)

BILL BALLOWE
(billinmt) - F - MLife

Locale: www.whiteboxstoves.com
New Version on 03/06/2008 17:13:32 MST Print View

At this time Piragis do not have the new version but the next time they reorder they will get them.

Speaking of Gossamer Gear, because Glen Van Peski and Grand Sibel were only operating GG as a part time business and they have chosen to go back to "the basics". You will notice that they have discontinued a lot of products and are mainly carrying products that they design. This was a business decision because there just wasn't enough time in the day to work their regular jobs and still maintain GG. I think you'd call it growing pains.

To get the new WB model see Sarah @ freezerbagcooking.com

While you are there get a couple of her pot cozies too.

Bill Ballowe, Owner
White Box Stoves

Edited by billinmt on 03/06/2008 17:22:45 MST.

James Loy
(jimbluz) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
Where to buy the new White Box Stove on 03/07/2008 18:50:17 MST Print View

Thanks Sarah & Bill. Sarah, I will probably order from you this weekend.

Christopher Holden
(back2basics) - F - MLife

Locale: Southeast USA
new stove design on 03/07/2008 20:50:31 MST Print View

"I am also making the stove a little shorter for better stability and at the same time it will hold a little more fuel."
Bill,
In addition to the above quote, you also mention in another post that the new model is 1/8" shorter. Has the width/diameter changed? I currently pack "the old style" in between the two halves of a bush buddy stove. I'm wondering how this new shape will fit into the other stove. Would you happen to have a bush buddy? If I knew how to attach a photo, I could show how it packs so well. If the new one still packs snug and doesn't rattle, then it's another perk and incentive to the newer one. I have no complaints with my current stove, but am always looking for improvements. Thanks for the many hot lunches!
Thanks.
Chris

BILL BALLOWE
(billinmt) - F - MLife

Locale: www.whiteboxstoves.com
Stove Width on 03/07/2008 21:44:02 MST Print View

The stove width is the same as the old model....

Bill in MT

BILL BALLOWE
(billinmt) - F - MLife

Locale: www.whiteboxstoves.com
Unprovoked attack on 03/13/2008 12:46:52 MDT Print View

I just had to add this to the discussion. On ebay I received a message from a guy named Freefall or blowit420. The message is as follows:

Dear billinmt2,

Good looking stove you have there. But you are missing a few critical details. First- $20? You gotta be kidding me mate! They can make them (alcohol stoves)cheap! Second, if they don't want to make them, $20? Bigger balls than I've got mate! Third, you give no weight. If you knew anything about backpacking then you'd know that hikers GAS about weight! Fourth, your Youtube link doesn't work and finally, my stove weighs less than an ounce (stove, windscreen and pot stand)and will cook two packs of Ramen OR 1 pack of Mac and Cheese in less than 10 minutes using less than an ounce of fuel. Mine doesn't have, what you call it?, a billet roll, whatever, mine was made in my living room and has traveled right about 10,000 miles without the slightest leak or failure. Best of all, I give this knowledge away for free even though I have the design patented in the US. The result? Happy hikers the world over!
Just so you know (in case you didn't figure it out, I will never buy from you.) Freefall

- blowit420

First off cut and paste the youtube link and it works but I guess he hasn't learned how to do that yet.

For what it is worth this guy has never sold a stove or anything else on Ebay which tells me he has no idea of values or has any marketing experience. But all you have to do is read his blog and realize that he is the self proclaimed expert when it comes to alcohol stoves. JMHO

Bill in MT aka billinmt2

Edited by billinmt on 03/13/2008 12:48:50 MDT.

Andrew Richardson
(arichardson6) - F

Locale: North East
Re: Unprovoked attack on 03/13/2008 14:19:41 MDT Print View

Ha..I find that amusing. What's so special about his stove? What's his blog link? I'd like to see what kind of knowledge he's giving away.

It's a good thing he's giving it away too cause I would never buy from such a jerk.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: Unprovoked attack on 03/13/2008 14:50:59 MDT Print View

Seriously... what a jerk. No one put a gun to his head to make him buy the stove. I make my own stoves too... but who cares? tons of ultralighters make their own stuff?... and $20 is a perfectly fine price. I think the labour alone... making it... packing it... shipping it... etc... is actually probably worth a lot more than 20 dollars.

Edited by davidlewis on 03/13/2008 14:52:40 MDT.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Re: Re: Unprovoked attack on 03/13/2008 16:44:37 MDT Print View

I agree...the cost of raw materials, labor, marketing, collecting funds and filling orders, answering emails, supply flow, income taxes, etc....that alone should be more than $20! I can't help thinking this every time I try to sell something second hand online. It's a lot of work and time before you've even made the stove, and it's a very finely crafted piece of gear too. Much more robust than your average pop-can stove, and doesn't require a pot stand.