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Ryan Gardner
(splproductions) - F - M

Locale: Salt Lake City, UT
Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/01/2008 19:27:20 MST Print View

I walked into a little mountaineering store tonight that I didn't even know existed and was pleased to see that they carried a lot of the brands that I usually have to order online. I told the salesman I'm one of those guys who weigh everything and he said something to the effect of "Yeah - we sometimes get those kind of people in, and they usually look like they need to lose 30lbs. It seems to be a trend among them." I'm skinny as heck, and I just laughed, but then realized later he was trashing on my ideals and my kinfolk!

Since I couldn't bear the thought of him insulting all of you, I threw a rock threw his window and took off with some Western Mountaineering bags and $15 from the till. The bags will be posted in the gear swap shortly.

Edited by splproductions on 03/01/2008 19:28:32 MST.

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/01/2008 19:53:21 MST Print View

Ya it confuses me too.
You would think people like Skurka and Tapon had educated peolpe a little bit, and than some REI hipster makes a comment like that.
Then people say we are all into "fast and light" and they like to take thier time and have thier comforts.
-you cant win.
And have you heard people say ultralighters beg for food and dont carry maps or shelters? Where are they getting this stuff?
I say they are newbie posers. How else could you backpack and be so ignorant of something as simple as keeping your pack wieght down?

Joshua Gilbert
(joshcgil2) - F

Locale: Seattle
Haters on 03/01/2008 19:55:04 MST Print View

Gear shop employees are notoriously snotty. Being around all that expensive hardwear while only making $8 and hour tends to make them cranky (I know, I used to be one) In essence you get paid to be a know it all when you probably would prefer to be out in the hills.

There'll always be someone who wants to diss what they don't understand (and I don't need to lose weight either, at least not of my body, summer of sub 5 anyone?)

What kind of bags did you get?

R Alsborg
(FastWalker) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Re: Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/01/2008 20:27:06 MST Print View

"Yeah - we sometimes get those kind of people in, and they usually look like they need to lose 30lbs"

Sounds like the salesman was just making a joke

I thought it was funny too...

Edited by FastWalker on 03/01/2008 20:27:39 MST.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/01/2008 20:33:24 MST Print View

I probably shouldn't jump in on this, especially just a few hours before I drop off the net for a week but no matter how hard I bite my tongue, sometimes it slips loose ...

In the lyrics below, pls focus on the words "Singing songs and they carrying signs, Mostly say, hooray for our side"

That is exactly what the folks you say "hate us" are doing and that is also exactly what threads like this are doing.

Let's spend this energy on:
1) advancing ultralight technique and knowledge
2) showing folks how it is done (many more lessons are "caught" that are "taught")

'nuff said

edit: OH S**T ... I bet that is copyrighted .... I'll clip most of it.


For What it's Worth (Stephen Stills, 1966)

...
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and they carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
...

Edited by jcolten on 03/01/2008 20:36:03 MST.

Al Shaver
(Al_T.Tude) - F - M

Locale: High Sierra and CA Central Coast
Thousands of Toothbrushes on 03/01/2008 21:02:48 MST Print View

1) I am 30 lbs overweight.
2) By cutting the handle short and drilling lightening holes in my childrens tooth brush, I've gotten it down to 3 grams.
Which makes the extra body weight I'm carrying the equivalent of 4540 toothbrushes.

This does seem a bit silly. However, a light pack helps me have fun and achieve my goals when I'm light and when I'm heavy; but most importantly It's my hobby. As illogical human activities go, it's a fairly benign one.

If these clerks can't be polite to their customers, they should get another job to fund their own obsessive passions.

When I get around to taking tweezers and wire clippers to my toothbrush to remove every other bristle...then you can make fun of me.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Haters on 03/02/2008 00:21:02 MST Print View

> Gear shop employees are notoriously snotty. Being around all that expensive hardwear while only making $8
Not snotty, but their living and income depends on persuading you to buy as much gear as possible. Big boots are much cheaper than light joggers, and the attitude carries over.

Adam Kilpatrick
(oysters) - MLife

Locale: South Australia
Gear shop workers on 03/02/2008 03:46:46 MST Print View

I used to be one aswell until 6months ago.

I used to cop a bit of stick from fellow employers for thinking alot about the weights of gear. Most of them (its worse in Aus, and its complicated over here) are unaware of ultralighting.

There was a guy that came into the store alot, that we dubbed "Golite man" (he was always wearing UL clothing and gear in the middle of the city). He would come in often and ask random questions about new gear on the market (most of it US gear) and whether we were getting it in or not, and generally waste alot of staff time. He never bought anything from the store, we knew it, and it was really annoying. He knew that we would never stock it, and that in Australia we only get a handful of the ranges of most US gear manufacturers from our suppliers.

I really enjoy helping customers and often used to get letters sent to the store thanking me for service, but this guy did annoy me. I dont mind people that come in and use half an hour or so of my time and then dont buy anything...they need help and its my job to give them the best advice possible...even if it means they go to another store to find something that works for them properly. This guy though knew his gear, and with the items he often talked about, probably better than me.

Most ultralighters know alot more about the intracacies of gear than gear store employees. Its a fact of life-we are gear freaks to the extreme. If you know about a piece of gear and don't need any help, then let staff know straight away when they approach you and don't drag out conversation where you establish really nothing other than the fact that they aren't "UL".

This may be what that store employee has experienced in the past with "Ultralighters". It's quite possible he wasn't annoyed with you at all.

But I don't miss "golite man" since I stopped working there. Thankfully(???), he is probably the only ultralighter in Adelaide, South Australia, apart from me.

Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Re: Gear shop workers on 03/02/2008 08:07:07 MST Print View

The only question I ever ask is if something is in stock - I used to argue with them back in the day...I once recommended the Patagonia Ready Mix to a gentlemen at an MEC who was browsing the softshells. The employee helping him promptly asked which Summits I had climbed. I told him I don't really climb mountains - at which point he informed me he had climbed Kilamanjaro. I just left and watched him buy a $650 Arcteryx for his overnighter in November.

Shawn Basil
(Bearpaw) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/04/2008 15:50:33 MST Print View

Brian Maynard wrote:
"And have you heard people say ultralighters beg for food and dont carry maps or shelters? Where are they getting this stuff?"

It's called the Appalachian Trail where a small but very obvious minority stay only in the shelters along the trail, insist that with solid blazing it is "stupid" to carry the weight of maps, and who routinely hint while at shelters that someone else's dinner looks MUCH better than their energy bar.

It's very much overdramatized, but it does happen, and then the word gets out on the trail grapevine very quickly.

Edited by Bearpaw on 03/04/2008 15:51:17 MST.

Ryan Gardner
(splproductions) - F - M

Locale: Salt Lake City, UT
AT culture... on 03/04/2008 21:34:04 MST Print View

Man, there is a whole backpacking culture that I know absolutley nothing about. Until I came to this site I didn't even understand the concept of thru-hiking. To think of hanging out in shelters with other people, and having "word spread" along the trail is just weird. It's probably because the closest major "thorough-fare" to me is the CDT, and I've only been there once. I'm used to seeing two, maybe three people on a hike.

Brian James
(bjamesd) - F

Locale: South Coast of BC
Re: Gear shop workers on 03/04/2008 21:54:15 MST Print View

The MEC on Broadway in Vancouver is brutal for snotty, knowitall employees who cling to the old school relentlessly.

I'm sure they get their fair share of one-night-a-year yuppies in there wanting to buy ridiculous kit, but a little humility would still go a long way.

Fortunately their gear selection effectively excludes lightweight backpackers anyway... I doubt they even sell a daypack that's under 3 pounds. They quit carrying the Snow Peak 4 oz fuel canisters, their "backpacking" footwear section looks like a 1970's workboot collection, and they refuse to carry progressive mainstream brands like GL, Montbell, and TNF. The house brand of tents and clothing seems to get heavier and less efficient compared to modern gear with each passing year.

The good news is that it's not too hard to get to the hut first in the mountains of Canada. Canadians (being by-and-large a more practical, more conservative lot) just love their 50lb packs.

Doug Johnson
(djohnson) - MLife

Locale: Washington State
Re: Re: Re: Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/04/2008 21:56:06 MST Print View

I thought EVERYBODY traded up on food! I'm famous among my friends for that...and it didn't start when I went ultralight either.

It's not call ultralight, it's called lazy!

Anybody want to trade some tamarind almonds and Swedish fish for my Gu?

:-)

Al Shaver
(Al_T.Tude) - F - M

Locale: High Sierra and CA Central Coast
Trading Up on 03/04/2008 23:12:25 MST Print View

Doug - Wasn't that 3rd grade lunch when you tried to trade your baloney sandwich for my applesauce and hot thermos of Spagetti-os with weiners??

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Persecution of ULers on 03/05/2008 09:56:24 MST Print View

You all seem surprised at this.

You'll be persecuted for your faith. Stay the course!

Long live UL!

Ryan Hutchins
(ryan_hutchins) - F

Locale: Somewhere out there
Re: Re: Why people gotta hate on the UL crowd? on 03/05/2008 13:31:43 MST Print View

>Originally posted by jcolten<
"I probably shouldn't jump in on this, especially just a few hours before I drop off the net for a week but no matter how hard I bite my tongue, sometimes it slips loose ...

In the lyrics below, pls focus on the words "Singing songs and they carrying signs, Mostly say, hooray for our side"

That is exactly what the folks you say "hate us" are doing and that is also exactly what threads like this are doing.

Let's spend this energy on:
1) advancing ultralight technique and knowledge
2) showing folks how it is done (many more lessons are "caught" that are "taught")

'nuff said"


I couldn't agree more.
It's not like UL hikers don't spout off about how superior lightweight hiking is. Be compassionate to those who don't yet understand the advantages, teach them when you are able, and live and let live. Someone wiser than I once said: "We fear the most what we least understand."

Michael Crosby
(djjmikie) - MLife

Locale: Ky
UL crowd on 03/05/2008 13:53:53 MST Print View

As Ryan H said:
>Let's spend this energy on:
1) advancing ultralight technique and knowledge
2) showing folks how it is done (many more lessons are "caught" that are "taught")<

I agree.

Just know that UL is not for everyone and be the shining "light" that inspires others.
The more one tries to enforce one's opinion on others, the more resistance is created.
When I first came to this site,my pack was 50#+ base weight. Now 12# winter and 7# summer base.
If they choose not to see the light, do not preach, just have pity on them in silence and keep on walking.

darren stephens
(darren5576) - F

Locale: Down Under
re on 03/05/2008 15:27:08 MST Print View

I agree with the previous. Why do we seem surprised when someone bags us for what we do when we continually bag them? We even can each other for doing things and the forums demonstrate that. Everyone should take a breath and get out there and enjoy themselves by whatever means they like.
As far as being accused of taking risks there is one thing that I take with me and it increases each time I go bush. That is a lifetime of experience and bushcraft.
The best ting is, it weighs nothing.
Darren

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: UL crowd on 03/05/2008 16:11:04 MST Print View

I was under the impression that this thread was just about venting fustration about why some people give us greif, not about us bashing anyone else. Ive never a said word to anybody about what they carry. I dont even try to convert anyone or even bring it up- if someone asks questions Ill be happy to answer, but if someone gives gives me sh#t about it Im giving it right back!

Dave T
(DaveT) - F
lord... on 03/05/2008 16:43:13 MST Print View

... who cares?

carry what you want, don't carry what you don't want. don't worry about what other people say or think.