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P. P.
(toesnorth) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: esbit vs firelite on 12/02/2007 14:38:09 MST Print View

I have never used firelite. Does it smell as bad as esbit tabs?

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Re: esbit vs firelite on 12/02/2007 15:18:56 MST Print View

P.P.

I believe ALL solid fuels smell like stale fish...

P. P.
(toesnorth) - F

Locale: PNW
Allison on 12/02/2007 15:34:23 MST Print View

Will you be posting a review of the stove?

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Allison on 12/02/2007 16:17:26 MST Print View

P.P.

The stove I am trialling is just a prototype, so I won't be doing a full review on this particular stove. The guys at TD are tweaking things a bit more, so I'll do a full review when they're completely happy with the design. In the meantime, I did a mini review in this thread:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=10448&startat=20

Steve Parr
(srparr) - F

Locale: SE Michigan
FireLite Packaging? on 12/02/2007 18:17:01 MST Print View

One thing I like about the Esbit tabs I can buy here in Michigan is that they are individually wrapped ... helps cut down on the odor problem. Do the FireLite (10g and 14g) tabs come individually wrapped?

Joshua Mitchell
(jdmitch) - F

Locale: Kansas
TD Ti Esbit Burner on 12/02/2007 22:02:20 MST Print View

Allison,

That sound like an incredibly sweet little system they've put together... I can't wait to see it out (big fan of the TD guys)... I must say, in my mind I can't picture what they've done to 'regulate' the burner even from your descriptions... but it sound pretty cool...

Ken Bennett
(ken_bennett) - F

Locale: southeastern usa
fuel tests on 12/03/2007 09:11:23 MST Print View

allison,

I posted my test results here on 1/17/07. Basically half an Esbit tab never brought 12 ounces of water to a boil. Half a Firelight tab did it in 9 minutes.

--Ken

David Goodyear
(dmgoody) - MLife

Locale: mid-west
esbit questions on 01/12/2008 07:57:01 MST Print View

Alright - I took the plunge and just ordered a caldera cone and the new esbit stove from Trail Designs.

Can the experienced esbit stovers give me some tips.
What's up with thre residue ? Do I need a bomb proof stuff sack or will my pack smell like dead fish? Tips on lighting, boil times, weather conditions. I'm ready to jump into this style of cooking as I didn't see that much of an advantage with alcohol over my canister stove. ( carry a heavy cansiter - or carry a heavy alcohol filled fuel bottle)

Thanks,

Dave

Tim Heckel
(ThinAir) - M

Locale: 6237' - Manitou Springs
Carry outside 4g tabs on 01/12/2008 12:12:22 MST Print View

Dave et al,

My setup is SnowPeak 700ml TI pot, TI wing stove, Esbit or Firelite tabs, windscreen.

I carry the stove, windscreen, and tabs outside of the pack in an exterior pocket. The pot does go in a stuff sack.

For me the residue is a serious inconvenience. I use sand, pine cones, grass, and whatever else to get the residure off the bottom of the pot before packing it. Crusty snow works best.

I've heard you should not handle the tabs do to toxicity and yet people don't seem to be bothered by the residue. It scares me and I do try to clean it off thoroughly.

At the altitudes and conditions at which I typically hike I do not get the boil times mentioned. In fact I rarely get a boil of 2 cups, I maybe get a few bubbles but that is good enough since I treat the water beforehand.

You can get the teeny esbit tabs from outfits that sell toy steam engines. Here is a sample URL: http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Wilesco_Kits.html

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Esbit in Canada on 01/13/2008 12:02:12 MST Print View

To the poster who asked where I buy Esbit from... I believe I ended up buying it from YesterYearToys.com. They sell the stuff for toy steam engines. They sell the 4gm and 14gm tablets.

Yesteryear Toys
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Shawn Van Meeuwen
Toll Free: 1-800-481-1353
Phone: (613) 475-1771
http://www.yesteryeartoys.ca
info@yesteryeartoys.ca

The only other place I know of where you can buy it in Canada is directly from the distributor... but his price is a few dollars higher...

Greenland Sales
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Brian Elliott
Greenland Sales
Phone 604 320 0445
brian.elliott@chinooktec.com

As for the Trail Designs stoves... I would consider a caldera if they made one out of Titanium that was sized to fit a beer can... but they don't. I looked at their 7 gram "stove" mentioned above (an esbit holder) and could not figure out how it offers temperature control... just looks like a basic stand? My "stand" is about 2 grams I think... and cost nothing... bottom of a drink can.

I'm sure most people here have seen my stove design (50 grams for the whole deal... pot, stand, handles, lid, etc.)... if not... here's the link again. I love it. Simple, insanely light, and it does the job.

http://davidlewis.ca/stove/

Ryan Gardner
(splproductions) - F - M

Locale: Salt Lake City, UT
My setup... on 01/13/2008 14:02:43 MST Print View

It looks like a lot of people are using the same setup I have.

- BPL TI wing stove
- MSR Titan (I wish BPL would get the FireLight 550 pots in stock!)
- Aluminum windscreen (from GossamerGear)
- ESBIT tabs.

I don't need the water boiling, just warmed up enough for my sack dinner. I can sometimes warm up another batch of water for someone else using the last bit of tablet.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
altering boil times on 01/13/2008 14:55:20 MST Print View

David

The set up with Trail Designs new Titanium Esbit stand works by reducing airflow to the tabs by use of side 'wings'. This increases cooking time but also increases fuel economy. If you are in a hurry, you can just leave the wings off. Without the wings the stove weighs ~1.6g, with wings 3g.

Knowing the guys at Trail Designs, I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on a design for beer can enthusiasts. Titanium cone seems like a nice idea, but then your beer can would be your weakest link.

I always carry a small pot scrubber to get the worst of the fuel residue off my pot. And the pot goes in it's cozy inside my pack. The inside of the cozy gets to looking a little scungy after a while, but otherwise works just fine to keep everything clean.

EDIT:

I just realized you guys may be seeing the 'old' Trail Designs Esbit stand, which does look like a piece of bent chicken wire. The new Titanium stove is still under design refinement, is radically different to their old stand, and is lighter and more fuel efficint than an open chicken wire design. Will just have to wait for the new release...

Edited by retropump on 01/13/2008 16:37:22 MST.

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
my esbit set up. on 01/13/2008 16:24:11 MST Print View

here is my esbit stove/stand. It is as simple and cheap as can be. You need chiken wire, wire cutters, and pliers. es1 es2

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Thanks on 01/13/2008 18:35:00 MST Print View

Thanks for the info Allison re: the Trail Designs esbit holder. That's cool. I'm not sure what you mean about my beer can being a "weak link" however? In what way? Would it not still heat better and faster with a cone than with my traditional hardware cloth stand and Ti foil windscreen?

p.s. the 48 gram weight spec'd on my stove page is not 100% accurate anymore since that was based on a galvanized hardware cloth stand. I have since upgraded to a stainless steel stand (same design... just different material) and altho' much nicer and more durable... it weighs twice as much as the cheapo (and toxic) galvanized stand.

Edited by davidlewis on 01/13/2008 18:39:58 MST.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
nice stand... on 01/13/2008 18:42:21 MST Print View

Hey Brian... I really like the idea of integrating the stand with the holder. I use a 1.5" high stand (3 rows) with the bottom of an energy drink can. Works well enough... but the integrated holder would mean slightly less puttering.

One question... do you find it more difficult to light the esbit when it's inside that cage?

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: nice stand... on 01/13/2008 18:54:13 MST Print View

"do you find it more difficult to light the esbit when it's inside that cage?"

- not really. You can hold it in your hand and light it from the bottom before you set it down. Or just let the flame go through the mesh to the tab if the flame is long enough or your using a match.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Thanks on 01/13/2008 18:56:20 MST Print View

Intersting comment about the galvaized fumes. It would have never occurred to me.

All I meant about the beer can being the 'weak link' is that there isn't much weight savings going with a titanium windscreen compared to the aluminum ones Trail Designs currently make. So why pay more to have a more robust windscreen/caldera cone out of titanium when your can/pot is still made from more fragile thin aluminum? I guess there would be an advantage if wood-burning was important.

Now if they made a 'beer can' out of titanium to go with a titanium cone, THAT would be pretty cool, but probably not a big weight saving over the titanium system they currently offer in the 900ml size.

Sam .
(samurai) - F

Locale: NEPA
GramCracker on 01/13/2008 21:00:30 MST Print View

The GramCracker is already available. Check it out here (scroll down a bit).

GramCracker

Edited by samurai on 01/13/2008 21:06:29 MST.

David Goodyear
(dmgoody) - MLife

Locale: mid-west
just got my cracker on 01/17/2008 11:44:25 MST Print View

I just received my cone and cracker. I'll let you know how it works.

I have a question. What are the advantages/ disadvantages to alcohol vs esbit stoves?

I am new to both concepts, but esbit seems more versatile. Alcohol is cleaner? (less smell) Weight savings seem to go to the esbit side.

My hiking style is several 3-4 day trips a year, with one or two 7 day trips. I do not re-supply, and my cooking style is mainly in freezer bags with dehydrated meals. (heating water for a meal and a hot drink)

Thanks,

Dave

Edited by dmgoody on 01/17/2008 11:49:50 MST.

Joshua Mitchell
(jdmitch) - F

Locale: Kansas
Re: just got my cracker on 01/17/2008 13:08:46 MST Print View

still waiting on mine... hopefully it'll show up in a few days...