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E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
Anyone use Kahtoola KTS Steel Cleats, MicroSpikes, Yaktrax, Yaktrax Pro or Stabilicers for traction on trails? Light crampons? on 10/15/2007 22:12:12 MDT Print View

Any use Kahtoola KTS Steel Cleats, MicroSpikes, Yaktrax, Yaktrax Pro, or Stabilicers for traction on trails?

Can anyone recommend light safe crampons for non-vertical use, both for flat and for steeper trails, but not for vertical mountain climbing use?

Edited by mountainwalker on 01/16/2008 09:56:26 MST.

Eric St. Mary
(EWSEWS) - F
Stabilicers on 10/16/2007 00:46:50 MDT Print View

I use Stabilicers during the winter to prevent sliding around work. They are MUCH more robust than Yaktrax and you can replace the cleats on them when they wear out.

Peter King
(pking) - MLife

Locale: N. Nevada
Light Crampons on 10/16/2007 08:09:39 MDT Print View

The Camp 6 point light crampons have worked really well for me with running shoes, though it took awhile to learn how to strap them on securely.

John Haley
(Quoddy) - F

Locale: New York/Vermont Border
Kahtoola on 10/16/2007 08:29:22 MDT Print View

The best traction for non-techical use I've found is, by far, the Kahtoola crampon. I use them whenever any ice is involved on winter treks. The aluminum version is lighter, but for long term or extended use, go for the steel.

From their blurb:
The Kahtoola TRACTION system: Flexible, lightweight crampons for nontechnical mountaineering applications
For sure footing on ice and snow, Kahtoola’s footwear fits over your trail running shoes, hiking boots, and snowboarding and ski boots using straps and quick-release buckles. Our Kahtoola TRACTION SYSTEMS are made from the strongest aluminum alloy and chromoly steel for maximum durability and minimum weight.

Edited by Quoddy on 10/16/2007 12:42:46 MDT.

Jeroen Wesselman
(jeroenman) - F

Locale: Europe
Re: Kahtoola on 10/16/2007 08:38:21 MDT Print View

The Kahtoola Crampons rule. Everybody can use them, they provide excellent traction and they really fit every shoe or boot out there. I use Yaktrax as well but find them insuperior compared to the Kahtoola, they never seem to stay on my boot or shoes the whole time, very annoying and on ice their traction is very marginal.

The Kahtoola are expensive (never managed to find one on sale) and heavier than the Yaktrack but if it is icy and dicy it is the best investment you made.

With the kahtoola my girlfriend feels really confident on icy tracks where without them she would freak out.

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
sounds like just the ticket on 10/16/2007 08:49:46 MDT Print View

My wife grew up as a flatlander down South and is still getting her feel for ice - I grew up running for the bus to school over icy streets and learned to balance on ice in motion. Not that easy with a pack on uneven sloped ground though, even with a light pack.

Bryon Powell
(trailgoat) - MLife

Locale: Sierra Nevada foothills
Kahtoola MICROspikes on 10/16/2007 09:38:48 MDT Print View

Depending on the activities and conditions in which you'll be using a traction system, you might want to check out the new Kahtoola MICROspikes. I've yet to try a pair as they are being released this week, but they look like a great product for icy conditions. I'd put them the same product category as yaktrax or stabilicers, as they look like they'll be light and can be crumpled to fit in a pocket. With the quality and innovation of Kahtoola's previous products, I'm looking forward to hitting some icy Shenandoah trails this winter. At around $60, the microspikes are also much more affordable than the full Kahtoola crampons.

As of the time of this post, it's not obvious on Kahtoola's website where to find info on the microspikes, so here's a direct link: http://www.kahtoola.com/documents/KahtoolaMICROspikesLaunch.pdf

Edited by trailgoat on 10/16/2007 09:40:56 MDT.

Dondo .
(Dondo) - F

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Kahtoola MICROspikes on 10/16/2007 14:24:17 MDT Print View

Bryon, I'm also looking at the MICROspikes. I've used both versions of Yaktrax as well as the Stabilicers and am not really satisfied. The Yaktrax and Yaktrax Pro are not nearly durable enough for my taste and the Stabilicers, while durable and effective, are just too heavy. If you decide to get them, please keep us posted as to how they work for you.

Bryon Powell
(trailgoat) - MLife

Locale: Sierra Nevada foothills
Re: Re: Kahtoola MICROspikes on 10/16/2007 14:49:04 MDT Print View

Dondo,
My MICROspikes should already be on the way... now I just have to wait for the ice. I'll be sure to give some feedback when I receive them (I'll surely slip them on and run around the backyard) as well as after I try them in bad conditions.

I've never used Yaktrax, but my trail running friends have encountered too much slippage for me to try them.

As for weight, the MICROspikes weigh less than 12 oz a pair. From what I gather full Stabilicers come in at 25+ oz while the Stabilicer Sport come in at about the weight of the MICROspikes. For comparison, the Kahtoola KTS Aluminum crampons weigh 18 oz or so.

Dondo .
(Dondo) - F

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Re: Re: Kahtoola MICROspikes on 10/16/2007 15:35:48 MDT Print View

>>As for weight, the MICROspikes weigh less than 12 oz a pair. From what I gather full Stabilicers come in at 25+ oz while the Stabilicer Sport come in at about the weight of the MICROspikes. For comparison, the Kahtoola KTS Aluminum crampons weigh 18 oz or so.

I forgot to mention that I also owned Stabilicer Sports. They held the ice well and had decent durability. Weight for size medium was about 12 oz. a pair. The Achilles' heel is that they tended to pull off my feet, especially in off-camber hiking. Hopefully, the MICROspikes will do better.

I'm looking forward to hearing your comments.

Edited by Dondo on 10/16/2007 15:41:43 MDT.

Brian Lewis
(brianle) - F

Locale: Pacific NW
ULA Axis is a lighter option on 10/18/2007 20:33:54 MDT Print View

ULA Axis 8-point crampons are lighter, mine weigh 8.2 oz (for the pair) with the straps trimmed to the minimum I need to wear them over my trail runners. The catch is, at least in my experience, you don't want to walk even a single step off of snow that's deep enough for them --- very limited walking on a dry (no snow) dirt + gravel section broke a couple of teeth off mine pretty quickly.

But if you can live with that caveat, I was happily surprised at how good the traction is, not just limited to ice, but other snow conditions too.

www.ula-equipment.com

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
flat trails? Light crampons- Grivel Spiders on 10/19/2007 06:37:34 MDT Print View

Flat trails, light crampons? Grivel Spiders, 4.6 ounces, 6 spikes, about $30. I own and use them for non technical trails and at the ski resort. Very easy to put on and secure.
Google them..
http://www.sailgb.com/p/grivel_spider_crampons/

E J
(mountainwalker) - MLife

Locale: SF Bay Area & New England
Grivel Spider versus Kahtoola on 10/19/2007 09:44:41 MDT Print View

Are the Grivel Spiders as durable and as adjustable for a wide range of footwear as the Kahtoola aluminum or steel?

Joe Geib
(joegeib) - F

Locale: Delaware & Lehigh Valleys
Ice Walkers on 10/19/2007 12:15:53 MDT Print View

Campmor.com has all these items.

James Loy
(jimbluz) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
YaxTrax on 10/19/2007 14:22:42 MDT Print View

I used Yak Trax all last winter hiking on some rather steep and icy switchbacks on a trail in Northern Idaho. I have had no problems with them coming off (I use an XL for a size 11 boot), and find them adequate with limited slippage. Their durability (probably one season at 2-3 times per week, 4+ miles each time) leaves a lot to be desired although I am using them beyond their recommended use. I've tried a number of other strap-on models with spikes but find the spikes do not cover the tip or outside of the heel which is exactly where you need them when you are descending slopes. The result is falling on the downhills. I intend to look at Stabilizers and Kathoola as the durability of Yak Trax is poor for the conditions I use them in. I will not, however, use anything that does not have traction at the tip of the heel where the heel strikes on downhills, and that is exactly what attracted me to Yak Trax. I would appreciate any comments from users of the Kahtoola and Stabizers as to their experience descending icy trails.

After using my Yaktrax this winter under quite different conditions than last year, I can no longer recommend them. When there is just a light covering of snow over ice, they will fail you on downhill descents and are risky even on flat terrain as the devices get clogged with snow and will not keep you from falling (believe me, I now know from painful experience). They seem to do a better job on uphill sections as your weight is more evenly distributed over your foot. I will not depend on them anymore and now have a pair of Kahtoola Microspikes to try out.

Edited by jimbluz on 01/07/2008 16:25:21 MST.

Heather Pisani-Kristl
(P-K) - F

Locale: San Diego
Screws on 10/19/2007 18:01:35 MDT Print View

I haven't had the chance to try this yet, but I like the sheet metal screw idea, with some variations on this site: http://www.vermontphoto.com/wildwhites/screwbootgallery/index.htm.

I had a pair of light-duty Yaktrax (no strap across instep) and wore the rubber out from pronation after fewer than 10 walks with them. That rendered them unusable.

Neil Bender
(nebender) - F
Yaktrax specialty use on 10/19/2007 18:58:03 MDT Print View

I've successfully used Yaktrax for winter descents into the Grand Canyon. There are short sections of switchbacks in the shade where the trail is frozen packed snow. Then you round another switchback and hit a dry or muddy rocky section. Instep crampons are an annoyance on the rocky sections. The yaktrax provide enough security on the frozen patches, but don't interfer on the non-frozen sections. After a mile you don't need them, and their 3 ounce dead weight carries well for a week until climbing back out of the canyon where maybe the exit trail isn't frozen. They have served me well in this capacity for 2 trips and look like they could survive another half dozen such trips. They certainly don't have anywhere near the grip that real ice cleats or crampons have. I have never had them come off. Your mileage may vary.

Bryon Powell
(trailgoat) - MLife

Locale: Sierra Nevada foothills
Kahtoola MICROspikes - First Glance/Dry Review on 10/25/2007 13:17:28 MDT Print View

As there's not a lot of info out yet on the MICROspikes, I thought I'd share my first impression even if there distinct lack of ice and/or snow in Arlington, VA at the moment.

Here is my out of the box/muddy backyard review: Kahtoola MICROspikes Review

James Loy
(jimbluz) - M

Locale: Pacific NW
Kahtoola Micro Spikes on 10/26/2007 10:28:28 MDT Print View

I just looked at the Kahtoola website link for the Micro Spikes. Where I live (Northern Idaho), nothing is flat, either you go uphill or downhill, and that includes going to get the newspaper or mail. It tends to be icy much of the winter. The worst danger in falling is on downhill sections. Even slight declines, barely noticable during the summer, are a significant threat to slipping and falling on your backside in winter. My experience with traction devices is that most are designed to provide traction at mid-heel rather than the outside or extreme back of the heel. I have fallen too many times with these designs and looking at the Micro Spikes, I can see that they are no improvement. If you think you can compensate for this design flaw on the declines by placing your heel at the mid-point, just try it! If you can do this comfortably and efficiently then the Microspikes might work for you. As for me, I will not spend my money on them and instead continue to use my YakTrax on which I have yet to fall. I'll also take a look at the Stableicers as I am searching for a design that offers durability over YakTrax as well as being made for hiking on a combination of ice and rock.

See my updated comments above regarding the YakTrax. I won't use them on downhill hiking anymore (too many falls already this year).

Edited by jimbluz on 01/07/2008 16:28:00 MST.

Karl Gottshalk
(kgottshalk) - M

Locale: Maine USA
Stabilicers in Maine on 10/26/2007 21:09:00 MDT Print View

I used a pair of stabilicers all last winter with a 7-12 mile hike each weekend in the local hills. It was an icy winter with little snow (I live right on the coast). The mountains are granite. My hiking buddy and I would put them on at the beginning of a hike and leave them on the whole time, whether we were going over rock, dirt, snow, or ice. Traction was terrific. They look like new and are ready for this winter. I don't know what kind of metal the hex screw grippers are made of, but they are still sharp. I wouldn't mind if they were lighter, but I can't imagine replacing them with anything else.

Edited by kgottshalk on 10/26/2007 21:09:59 MDT.