Chlorine Dioxide No-Mix Water Treatment Solution Coming to US Outdoor Market

Pre-mixed, one-step chlorine dioxide water treatment / disinfection solution. No mixing and easy to use. Say goodbye to iodine.

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by Ryan Jordan | 2005-11-02 03:00:00-07

Chlorine Dioxide No-Mix Water Treatment Solution Coming to US Outdoor Market

BackpackingLight.com to Launch New Chlorine Dioxide Based Water Treatment Product to US Market

A pre-mixed, stable, ready-to-use chlorine dioxide alternative promises ease of use, outstanding efficacy, and proven legitimacy for nearly a decade in military and expedition environments.

Proven chemistry.

Chlorine dioxide is the active ingredient in Aqua Mira, Pristine, and thousands of public and private water treatment facilities in the US and Europe.

Pre-mixed formulation: no wait time to activate solution.

Unlike existing formulations, the new formulation comes pre-mixed and stabilized, with an opened-bottle shelf life suitable for most expedition length events. Refrigeration extends the open bottle shelf life to about eight months.

The pre-mixed product solves the ease-of-use dilemma that is the primary criticism of other chlorine dioxide kits. Simply uncap the bottle, pour a metered dose into the cap, and empty into your water bottle. Wait times for disinfection are similar to other products, ranging from 15 to 30 minutes.

Formulated for multiple uses.

This formulation is a multi-use product with excellent applications for field first aid treatment and hygiene. Cuts and scrapes can be disinfected directly with KlearWater to minimize the chance for infection. It can be used in its concentrated or lightly diluted form for handwashing/disinfection, mouth rinsing/brushing, and fungal control on the feet and in areas prone to chafing.

Exclusive launch distribution to BackpackingLight.com Premium Members.

The new formulation will be available only to BackpackingLight.com Premium Members during its launch period. It is unknown at this time when BackpackingLight.com will make this product publicly available. "We expect the demand for this product to be outpace supply within our subscriber base," says BackpackingLight.com Publisher Ryan Jordan, "and it's very important to be able to put this product initially in the hands of our Premium Membership first, since they are very passionate about trying new products, and giving us their feedback in a short period of time. Then, we can take that feedback back to the manufacturer and adjust packaging, formulations, and usage guidelines before the product hits the mass market. We'll release our supply to the public after demand from Premium Members has been filled first."

Prepurchase Information.

BackpackingLight.com Premium Members may pre-purchase the new formulation beginning November 9, 2005. The first product is expected to ship around November 20, and will be available in 30 mL metering bottles and 50 mL refill bottles. Both kits will be packaged with assorted dropper bottles to facilitate ease of dispensing and reduce volume and kit weight required to take on short hikes.

A pre-purchase announcement will be sent to all active BackpackingLight.com Premium Members on November 9, 2005.


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"Chlorine Dioxide No-Mix Water Treatment Solution Coming to US Outdoor Market," by Ryan Jordan. BackpackingLight.com (ISSN 1537-0364).
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Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
New Water Treatment Product on 10/29/2005 15:22:33 MDT Print View

Stay tuned...announcement & pre-purchase coming to premium members in a week...

Can you say..."No Mix"?

Here's a leetle teeny hint:



Oh, and have a great weekend, everybody!!

Edited by ryan on 10/29/2005 15:23:17 MDT.

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
New Water Treatment on 10/29/2005 15:48:29 MDT Print View

Looks dark. Does it involve chocolate?!?

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
New Water Treatment Product on 10/29/2005 15:54:10 MDT Print View

But, can you say "NO Wait to drink"?

Thank you

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
the new upcoming water treatment on 10/29/2005 16:14:30 MDT Print View

But more importantly, can you say it's at least as effective as Aqua Mira and doesn't make water taste funny?

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
water treatment on 10/29/2005 16:15:54 MDT Print View

Awe common Dr. Jordan. You have to give us more than this!

Stephan Guyenet
(Guyenet) - F
Re: New Water Treatment Product on 10/29/2005 17:19:50 MDT Print View

I recognize that!

It's a dropper full of squid ink, the most potent water-purifying substance known to man.

Edited by Guyenet on 10/29/2005 17:20:25 MDT.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: New Water Treatment Product on 10/29/2005 17:52:41 MDT Print View

Bill,

"NO Wait to drink" ==>

as i'm sure that you already know, UV-C addresses that.

signed,
"Still a fan of AqM"

Edited by pj on 10/29/2005 17:55:59 MDT.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: the new upcoming water treatment on 10/29/2005 17:55:22 MDT Print View

Kevin,

how do you spell, "at least as effective as Aqua Mira and doesn't make water taste funny"

==> UV-C

obviously, what's pictured is not UV-C.

at this point, AqM is my choice due to wt. can't wait to find out what an eye dropper has to do with the process.

Edited by pj on 10/31/2005 09:20:37 MST.

larry savage
(pyeyo) - F

Locale: pacific northwest
Re: Re: the new upcoming water treatment on 10/30/2005 21:03:16 MST Print View

A tremendously powerful mix of yak slobber and bushmaster venom,also an effective mosquito repellant?

Tony Burnett
(tlbj6142) - F

Locale: OH--IO
Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 10/31/2005 07:30:39 MST Print View

>> UV-C addresses that.

Don't you have to wait for the UV-C to work its magic?

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Water treatment...cont. on 10/31/2005 08:43:06 MST Print View

>> UV-C addresses that.

...and doesn't use batteries and will fit in a microdropper

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 10/31/2005 09:08:45 MST Print View

Tony,

ok. yeah. you got me.

Using AquaStar or SteriPen UV-C units, you wait approx. 45-90 seconds depending upon the recommended volume of water being treated. larger volumes would require multiple dosing, so, a bit longer.

what i meant, and should have been clearer, both in my prev. post and the prev. paragraph of this post (tryin' to keep these posts short), is that after the 45-90 sec. dosing period, you can drink immediately.

of course you could also go the solar UV route and wait the ~6hr dosing time. but...that is another subject.

Kevin,
good one.

Edited by pj on 10/31/2005 09:18:52 MST.

Bob Gabbart
(bobg) - F
new water treatment! on 10/31/2005 10:40:30 MST Print View

No mix water treatment drops that do not taste bad! That will be a huge time saver. Please tell more! Why wait a week?

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: new water treatment! on 10/31/2005 11:01:13 MST Print View

Despite my lofty status as a staffer, I have absolutely no idea what Ryan & Co. are up to here.

So it's on with the speculation hat (a nice orange for Halloween). Where ClO2 is used for residential water treatment, it's always mixed on site because it's too unstable and therefore, dangerous to transport from some factory.

Perhaps there's a way around these premixing problems when small quantities are involved?

I'll bet the farm it's not "aerobic oxygen" or grapefruit seed oil and I'm still holding out hope for chocolate technology :-)

David Wiesenfeld
(davidwiesenfeld) - F
Re: Re: new water treatment! on 10/31/2005 11:40:12 MST Print View

Further groundless speculation (because it's fun): Some very strong adhesives have similar problems related to mixing before use. So often when you find a "tube" of the stuff, it is actually two side-by-side syringes, each containing one of the necessary compounds. When you push down on the plunger, the two compounds mix in a little chamber just about the nozzle of the tube, and then come out, ready to glue things. Perhaps this new water treatment is something like that - a system that still mixes two compounds, but where the user just has to squeeze and make sure the drops go into the water bottle.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
new water treatment product on 10/31/2005 12:02:50 MST Print View

Who cares what it is.........

I WANT IT
I NEED IT
I MUST HAVE IT

Slobber. Drool.


Wandering Bob

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: new water treatment product on 11/01/2005 22:13:32 MST Print View

First sneaka peaka only to Forum Readers:

(M) BackpackingLight.com to Announce New Pre-Mixed, Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide Water Treatment Product

Formal announcement in the newsletter tonight. Hang tight til next week for all the goods to be completely revealed!

Edited by ryan on 11/01/2005 22:14:17 MST.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/02/2005 03:53:55 MST Print View

Oh...Man (er...I mean, Doc) - don't do this to us - you're such a tease.

Please have on hand a volume of product that would make Lake Superior seem like a rain puddle. If you don't, you're going to sell out in the first 50 microseconds.

Please consider putting a limit of 1 per customer (or some qty you deem appropriate based upon your available initial Stock and the # of Prem. Mbrs.). If you don't limit it, i'll probably order 50 B'Jillion. Hope everyone who wants some can get some to try.

Thanks for listening.

-------------------------------------------------------------
BTW, is the Vick Hines the Chemist who came up with this product??? Does it blow up or contribute to intoxication? Sorry Vick, some humor at your expense. Seriously, Vick, i really do appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience in your Posts. Thanks.

Edited by pj on 11/02/2005 03:57:56 MST.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/02/2005 05:01:21 MST Print View

Ryan... what is the shelf life of an unopenned bottle? I don't winter camp (at least haven't yet) so I probably wouldn't get to use my bottle 'til spring.


(Anonymous)
details, details, details on 11/02/2005 09:59:31 MST Print View

Just enough details to grab our attention!

How much water will it treat? Do you know how much it will cost?

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
new water treatment product on 11/02/2005 09:59:48 MST Print View

How do the shelf lives - opened and unopened - compare to those of Aqua Mira?

Some of my Aqua Mira is approaching 2 years old.


(Anonymous)
details, details, details on 11/02/2005 10:00:05 MST Print View

Just enough details to grab our attention!

How much water will it treat? Do you know how much it will cost?

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Wonder Water Treatment on 11/02/2005 10:37:00 MST Print View

Ryan, are there any disadvantages to the new 1 stage system compared to Aqua Mira ? Or is it a case of retaining all the advantages of the older system plus added convenience?

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Wonder Water Treatment on 11/02/2005 11:23:05 MST Print View

I think there will be much shorter shelf life. Shelf life for aqua mira is about two years, IIRC. Shelf life for KlearWater (guessing that is the name?) is eight months once opened IF refrigerated.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: Re: Wonder Water Treatment on 11/03/2005 23:43:56 MST Print View

Shelf life of the new stuff:

unopened: 1 year-ish, cool, dark storage. probably close to 2 yrs if kept refrigerated.

opened: 3-4 months in a cool, dark place. 8 months if refrigerated.

UV light significantly shortens shelf life.

Bob Gabbart
(bobg) - F
no mix picture on 11/08/2005 19:42:30 MST Print View

Wasn't the picture suposed to be released today?

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/08/2005 19:48:35 MST Print View

Yes, pic, price, and pre-purchase will be released later tonite.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/09/2005 02:22:05 MST Print View

great. already ordered one kit. still have a bit of AqM to use up.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/09/2005 04:33:40 MST Print View

One question... how does 1mL to treat 1L in 15 mins. compare (in terms of volume) to the 5-8 drops (10-16 drops total) used to treat 1L in 15 mins. with Pristine? Does it works out to the same?

Also, I would think that the only thing the brown glass bottle is doing it keeping out light... no? If that's the case, why wouldn't an opaque plastic bottle work just as well as the brown glass?

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Re: Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/09/2005 08:54:23 MST Print View

Ryan:

I just read the description on Klearwater. Very exciting -- as it eliminates one extra step and some waiting time as compared to Aqua Mira.

Curious about this Swedish product. How long has it been around in Sweden / Europe? Has any European equivalent of our EPA approved its efficacy and safety claims?

Or is this product brand new for both sides of the Atlantic?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Nelridge
(naturephoto1) - M

Locale: Eastern Pennsylvania
New Water Treatment Product on 11/09/2005 09:47:17 MST Print View

Ben,

Go back to the page about the KlearWater and read the letter about the product. It appears that it has been in use in Sweden as its Swedish brand Xinix since at least 1998.

Rich

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/09/2005 10:02:26 MST Print View

Thanks, Richard. I see it now.

Still wondering though, if this product -- and specifically its safety and efficacy properties -- have been approved by any European health/sanitation/environment authorities (such as their counterparts to our EPA)? Hopefully, Ryan can share this with us.

Edited by ben2world on 11/09/2005 10:03:35 MST.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Re: New Water Treatment Product on 11/09/2005 10:46:02 MST Print View

Don't know if it's been approved... but I would be inclined to think that if is HAS been approved by some regulatory body in Europe... the regulatory criteria are probably just as stringent if not more so than the EPA criteria would be. So it's a good question.

Bottom line tho'... it's basically the same thing, chemically speaking, as Aqua Mira and Pristine (right?)... just premixed and somehow stablized. I'm guessing that Aqua Mira / Pristine is more highly concentrated since you mix it yourself... and it only take a few drops to treat 1L as opposed to 1mL to treat 1L.

Mitchell Keil
(mitchellkeil) - F

Locale: Deep in the OC
Klearwater vs Micropur on 11/09/2005 11:12:23 MST Print View

People really love to reinvent the wheel, I see. After reading the accompanying blurb from the "opening night" posting on the site for its "pre-release" to Members, I can only say one thing: The envelope, please... and the winner is Micropur. About the same price, about the same level of treatment (30 quarts)BUT not a water purifier as Micropur is and certainly not as light or stable. So why all the hype?

Michael Martin
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Klearwater vs Micropur on 11/09/2005 12:25:20 MST Print View

I've tried Micropur, but I was kind of underwhelmed for two reasons:

1) You have to treat water in increments of 1L -- all of my preferred water containers are odd sized like 730ml or 1.8L.

2) The official instructions call for a 4hr treatment time. (Although I've heard unproven rumors that this is only for worst-case cold, cloudy, putrid water.)

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Re: Klearwater vs Micropur on 11/09/2005 13:02:16 MST Print View

To be fair, both use the same active ingredient... so in cases where the water is very cold, longer treatment times are needed for both. Micropur and Klearwater have no advantage over each other in terms of treatment time.

On the other hand, I can see your point about the tablets. It's awkward to break a tablet to treat a fraction of a liter. I guess it's the same reason why I've always disliked cube sugar -- preferring to spoon my own quantities instead.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Klearwater vs Micropur on 11/09/2005 13:48:23 MST Print View

Mitchell,

Would you mind taking a moment, please, and clarifying your statement, "BUT not a water purifier as Micropur is"? I don't understand it and at this point don't agree with it, but you might be thinking of something I missed or don't understand.

Many thanks,
pj

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Aqua Mira vs. Micropur vs. KlearWater on 11/09/2005 14:13:55 MST Print View

This is not an official position and represents only my opinion.

Any of these three products are effective against cysts if you let them sit for four hours, as is the EPA-registered claim for Micropur vs. Crypto. They all have the same chemicals.

AM and KW act faster than Micropur against bacteria and viruses, esp. in cold water temperatures (I've verified this in my lab) because Micropur is limited by the dissolution rate of the tablet.

The data I've collected and seen from third parties indicates that the water is drinkable within 1-3 minutes with AM and KW if you're not worried about cysts. Not the case with Micropur tablets. You better follow those directions to the T.

Compare these products based on their usability criteria, they all have their advantages. I carry two Micropur tabs in my emergency kit. They are pretty light. Fine in a survival situation though, but for me, relatively inconvenient, slow to dissolve in cold water, and difficult to dose if your water volumes are <> 1L. But they have their place, and they are a good product. Incidentally, BPL will be stocking them soon. I think it's important that folks have options and the tablets certainly fill a niche.

Edited by ryan on 11/09/2005 14:19:59 MST.

Fred Baltimore
(fredbaltimore) - F
micropur on 11/10/2005 17:27:36 MST Print View

The KW appears to be a perfect product with the exception of the glass container. I read that AM can be used to treat wounds on another site. Is this also the case with KW? If chlorine dioxide is good for wounds why don't we see it in stores for that purpose? Are there other uses for the liquid?

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: micropur on 11/10/2005 17:46:19 MST Print View

Fred,

hopefully, you'll get a reply to your questions. I've tried twice in other Threads to get answers to similar questions with no success.

my thoughts are two-fold:
1) i would think that AqM could cause a lot of tissue damage to a wound if the concentration is too strong, perhaps greatly increasing the length of time to heal. so, it must be used in the proper concentration. what is the strongest concentration reasonable for this use? assume here that it would be used immediately after mixing/reacting and diluting in water.

2) what is the half-life of AqM? so, what is the longest period of time after water treated with AqM (or KW) can be used to disinfect (and not merely irrigate, for cleansing purposes) a wound?

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
AM & KW applications/dosing/strep throat on 11/10/2005 21:26:22 MST Print View

Fred, Paul, and others:

1. Do NOT use AM for mouth rinsing, wound treatment, etc. It's too concentrated. You need to dilute the solution by a factor of 5 or more to use it in this capacity. AM on bare skin can cause topical burns in sensitive areas if left there (nothing particularly harmful, just painful). On mucous membranes and soft tissues, it will cause damage. KW is not as concentrated, and is multi-use by design.

2. Water treated with AM or KW according to mfr directions (e.g., drinkable water) can generally be used within 5 minutes to irrigate a wound. That's when the solution has worked its magic on the pathogens that infect wounds: namely, bacteria (Staph, E. Coli, Strep, and Pseudomonas spp.).

Incidentally, an activated AM solution suitable for treating one liter of water (7/7 drops of A/B) can be diluted into 2-4 oz of water and make a great gargle if you suspect strep throat on a long distance hike. I've used this twice, I have awful tonsils (still in, trying to figure out how much they weight to see if it's worth the $/oz in FSO reduction) and am very prone to strep throat. Rinsing several times a day can buy you time until you can get some antibiotics.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: AM & KW applications/dosing/strep throat on 11/11/2005 03:01:57 MST Print View

Dr. J,

many thanks for taking the time to reply. really appreciate it. your facts confirmed my suspicions.

one last question. what is the half-life of AqM? the point being if i treat water with AqM per the usual method for purifying drinking water, then, at a later time, before that water is consumed, suddenly have a requirement to use it to disinfect a wound, how long after treating water for drinking will it still have a bactericidal action? is this ques. clear?

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: Re: AM & KW applications/dosing/strep throat on 11/11/2005 07:28:05 MST Print View

>> one last question. what is the half-life of AqM? the point being if i treat water with AqM per the usual method for purifying drinking water, then, at a later time, before that water is consumed, suddenly have a requirement to use it to disinfect a wound, how long after treating water for drinking will it still have a bactericidal action? is this ques. clear?

This answer to this question is not clear with AM. However, it may be relatively clear if you extrapolate similar chlorine dioxide treatment, in say, a municipality. After the water is treated and leaves the treatment plant, it is required to have a residual biocidal effect for as long as the water remains in the distribution system. In larger municipalities, the period of time can be up to several days. Since AM imparts a higher concentration of biocide than that which is normally found in a water municipality....then it "should be ok", right?

Jason Smith
(JasonS) - MLife

Locale: Northeast
Re: AM & KW applications/dosing/strep throat on 11/11/2005 08:45:06 MST Print View

How does ClO2 compare to Provo iodine as an anti-biotic for wound treatment? Is it just useful for irrigation? Just want to know more about using it in a wound treatment capacity.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Re: Re: AM & KW applications/dosing/strep throat on 11/11/2005 09:08:27 MST Print View

Dr. J,

many thanks. exactly the type of answer i was hoping for. so, basically it seems to have a long half-life under certain conditions which limits its exposure to sunlight and, perhaps, oxygen(?).

oh well, if in doubt, then your earlier instructions about, reacting and diluting in at least 5 parts water to 1 part AqM are easy enough to do.

thanks again. have a good weekend.

Fred Baltimore
(fredbaltimore) - F
chlorine dioxide redux on 11/11/2005 20:33:16 MST Print View

Tell me if I am correct or not.
I can use KW directly for water, wounds and for other stuff I want to clean? KW and AM both disinfect water equally providing you measure the right amount of the two bottles of AM and wait the 5 minutes, occasionally in bad weather. I have to dilute AM to use it for wound.
Micropur does only full liters and tastes like crap. Why would I ever order AM or Micropur again? Shelf life; Who keeps their AM bottles a year anyway? Why do we have to wait for this KW anyway, do you have it or not? I just want to order the stuff not write notes.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: chlorine dioxide redux on 11/11/2005 20:38:29 MST Print View

>> Why do we have to wait for this KW anyway, do you have it or not?

If I had it I sure wouldn't be hangin' on to it - it would be in all y'alls hot little hands...

It's being shipped from Sweden and BPL will have it in its Bozeman warehouse around the 25th or so.

As for your other questions, yes, you're correct.

Mitchell Keil
(mitchellkeil) - F

Locale: Deep in the OC
KW vs Micropur on 11/14/2005 17:07:58 MST Print View

OK. I am a little late to get back to PJ concerning my comment on Micropur being a "water purifier". (Out of town) Micropur is the only water additive that is EPA registered as a microbiological water purifier. Now, we either accept that the EPA can make these determinations or we don't when it comes to testing and certifying these sorts of things. They have developed the protocols for making these determinations. (If we do not accept the premise that the EPA is qualified to determine such things then all of the pumps that are "EPA registered water purifiers" should not be making the claim and we are in a world of hurt in places where they are being used to "purify" drinking water -- like New Orleans.) Much as I respect Ryan's expertise in many areas, I have no personal knowledge about his qualifications to "test in his lab" the efficacy of any biochemical compound. Nor do I know how his protocols compare to the EPA's. So, absent a peer review of his proceedures to make these claims about KW or any other biochemical process, I will defer to the EPA on this matter. Therefore, I stand by my statement that for the cost, the amount treated and its longer shelf life, Micropur is a qualitatively better product with the added benefit of being EPA registered as a microbiological water purifier, something which KW is not. That one can use it in varying amounts for differrent size water containers is certainly a plus for KW but not "my" point.

I should point out that I have been a user of AM for several years and love it's weight savings and taste nuetrality over pumps and iodine but not its cumbersome utility.


(Anonymous)
Re: KW vs Micropur on 11/14/2005 20:30:14 MST Print View

To use MicroPur MP1 tablets in less than full tablet size, crush the tablet while it is still in the wrapper and then cut it like you do your nose candy in half or in thirds, etc.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: KW vs Micropur on 11/15/2005 01:55:14 MST Print View

Mitchell,

excellent reply. very clear. understand. appreciate the time it took you to author and express both concisely and clearly your prev. meaning. even i get it now - didn't realize that you were speaking of EPA certification as the basis of your statement vs. Mfr's own testing and claims. many thanks.

Edited by pj on 11/15/2005 13:54:21 MST.

Fred Baltimore
(fredbaltimore) - F
EPA, pumps, chemicals, blather on 11/16/2005 12:34:26 MST Print View

I have spoken to a lab that does work for EPA. To register a water "purifier" EPA does a simple test on an indicative virus, bacteria and cyst. These are tested in two types of water, sterile water and so-called type 2 water. Type two water is organice laden as if it were a Georgia mud puddle that has had leaves soaking in it. I have seen it. Camping, I know of no source of sterile water nor have I ever used totally organic laden water. I have hiked for 40 years and have never had to resort to water this filthy. I have the so-called best pump and it clogs on water far less organic-laden than the type 2 water. I have switched to AM and am going to immediately try KW since it is multi use. To my knowledge the active ingredient in MP, AM, KW is the same, just a function of time and dose. note: Why does MP taste so bad if same compared to AM? Therefore just a matter of utility. Micropur does a great job of stating how stupid the EPA testing is with a small informational brochure at the point of sale. I wonder if EPA knows they are doing this?, I'll bet not. I wish AM did the same thing. As opposed to the other writer, I would defer to Ryan not EPA because the products are actually used as I would use them, not in sterile water or mud puddles. Remember, EPA uses the type 2 water directions for ALL USE because they feel we are not capable of telling clear water from filthy water. I would filter filthy water through a cloth anyhow. So much for the directions of all "purifiers." I respect the EPA for much of the enforcement it does to protect our environment but I surely do not think they should have anything to do with water cleaners that are not municipal systems. Doesn't this seem more like FDA territory? Does simplistic lab testing by our government instead of actual field test AND lab test by a competent reviewer give comfort to anyone?