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Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review

Are You an Ultimate Hiker? Andy Skurka’s approach to backpacking.

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by Luke Schmidt | 2012-02-27 00:00:00-07

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Many of us have dreamed of being able to complete a thru-hike or to hike 30 miles a day or more.

In his book The Ultimate Hiker’s Gear Guide Andy Skurka offers tips to help people do just that. The book covers not just the gear but the techniques of becoming an “Ultimate Hiker.”

Part One: Are You an Ultimate Hiker?

Part One introduces Skurka’s approach to hiking, which he calls “Ultimate Hiking.” The Ultimate Hiker is someone whose objectives for a trip involve hiking long distances by perfecting their gear, hiking style, and knowledge of the conditions. An Ultimate Hiker is someone who wants to hike and explore, not make camp and laze around.

The “Ultimate Camper” is on the other end of the spectrum. The Ultimate Camper, on the other hand, is someone whose main focus is on activities such as bird watching, photography, hunting, fishing, hanging out with friends - in other words, anything other than hiking. Such campers have a different set of goals, where lightweight packing and advanced camping skills are less crucial to their success.

Skurka's target audience is the hiker who would like to hike with lighter gear and more efficiency, like an Ultimate Hiker, but who does not have the knowledge to do so. Such hikers are called "Campers by Default" - they may want to hike farther into the wilderness or complete thru-hikes, but they are limited by improper gear and a lack of knowledge about backpacking.

Know Before You Go - Skurka’s Approach to Pre-trip Planning

Once an Ultimate Hiker has settled on an objective for a trip, the next step is learning what conditions will be like along the route of travel. Skurka discusses ways of finding relevant information for planning a trip and a gear list. He looks at weather information, likely vegetation density (for off trail travel), trail conditions (for shoe choices), likely snow conditions, remoteness of the route, water availability, and sun exposure among other things. All this information is used to pick the right gear for a given trip.

Part Two: Gear and Techniques

Part Two covers gear and techniques and takes up the majority of the book. Skurka put some thought into making the guide detailed enough to be useful, but not too “nerdy.” One way he does this is by breaking up the text frequently with charts, side bars, and special sections devoted to different topics. For example, he discusses different types of packs in the main text, then has a “Skurka’s Pick” sidebar listing his favorite packs for different conditions. The “Tried and True” pages focus more on techniques that go along with the gear being discussed. This approach makes the book more focused and readable.

Below is an overview of the different chapters with a few highlights.

Clothing Systems

Skurka actually goes into a lot of detail about what clothes to wear and bring along. He’s hiking in his clothes more than he is resting in his tent, so a good clothing system that helps to regulate his body temperature is worth thinking about.

I was hoping after all his trekking Skurka would have an answer to the search for better rain gear. Unfortunately, he does not. According to a “Skurka’s Picks” section, all rain gear fails given enough time. I agree with this, but shoes fail too, and Skurka discusses how to deal with that event. He doesn’t give any advice for how often a raincoat should be replaced or how it should be maintained to prolong its life.

On the other hand he has a couple tips for maximizing comfort in the rain. For example, he suggests fleece insulation in cold, wet weather. Assuming you’ll get somewhat soggy no matter what, he found fleece insulated better when wet than synthetic puffy insulation like Polar Guard.


There's a good discussion of shoes. Skurka explains why trail runners are appropriate for most wilderness treks (snow being the main exception) and how to choose a good pair. Although he likes trail runners, he doesn’t really address the issue of minimalist shoes, which are becoming more popular. He does say he feels the Five Finger-type shoes are too minimal for most hikers, but doesn’t say much more, which is unfortunate. The minimalist shoe debate is not just a question of how much protection your feet need, but of how you should be planting your feet and the importance of zero drop shoes as well.

Beyond the basic shoe choices there are also a number of tips for maintaining foot health on a long trip. Skurka suggests protecting your feet by washing socks daily to prevent blisters from grit. He also uses low gaiters so grit stays out his shoes and socks to begin with.

Will This Book Help if You are Already an Ultralight Backpacker?

A lot of BPL readers already know plenty about light hiking gear. If that’s you, the question you might ask is “Will this book help longtime BPL readers?” I think the answer is definitely “Yes.”

I tested this theory by comparing my experiences on a Colorado thru-hiking attempt (I had to bail out towards the end due to an injury). I hiked with a relatively good set of gear, but a number of small changes suggested in the book could have made my hike less painful, more efficient, and possibly gotten me all the way to Durango.

First, I had dirty socks, which led to blisters. This isn’t a problem on weekend hikes, but it is on longer hikes. Skurka suggests washing socks daily to prevent this and is a big fan of preventative first aid on any hot spots. If I’d washed my socks and watched my feet more carefully, I probably could have hiked a bit further. Also, if I’d been wearing gators, my socks would not have gotten so dirty to begin with.

I was chronically hungry, and I lost a noticeable amount of weight on the trip. If I’d considered how much more food Skurka uses on his long hikes and his recommendations for calories per day, I might have packed more food and been happier.

I hiked at night several times, but my light was too dim to work well; night hiking was slow and felt claustrophobic because I couldn’t see much. One night I had to stop early because I just couldn’t see well enough to be sure I wasn’t wandering onto a game trail instead of following the faint foot trail. Skurka’s solution for this is to wear one headlamp on the head and one on the waist for night hiking. The light on the head can be a focused spotlight for seeing landmarks at long distances while the waist light is a diffused floodlight close to the ground. This does a better job of lighting the path for his feet. This two-light strategy gives the advantages of both a floodlight and a spotlight without having to switch between lights. This trick would have made my evening hikes a lot more pleasant.

There were days I pushed myself really hard to make a mileage goal and ended up feeling beat up and sore in the evening. While working hard is part of long distance hiking, I was probably pushing myself too hard in a couple of cases. Whether this caused my injury or not, I’ll never know, but it certainly didn’t help. In a section entitled “How to Hike Fast,” Skurka recommends hiking longer rather than trying to hike faster and injuring yourself. I could have hiked longer if I’d taken his advice on lights (see above), so I could have ultimately hiked farther into the evening.

Sleep Systems

Skurka prefers quilts to mummy bags except for temperatures under 20F/-7C. Interestingly most hikers seem to pick quilts for the weight savings. Skurka mentions that, but focuses just as much on the flexibility of a quilt. Because of their variable girth, it is possible to layer more clothes under a quilt. He prefers down most of the time, but occasionally uses synthetic for prolonged bad weather. A “How 2” section covers how to deal with the drafts in a quilt. Sleeping pads are also discussed.


Skurka prefers a tarp for many situations both for weight savings and simplicity. If the weather is quite poor, he uses a Mountain Laurel Designs “Mid” with a bug net as necessary. A “Tried & True” tells how to spot likely camping areas on a map and how to pick a specific spot once you find a good area.

Maps and Navigation

Skurka prefers maps to GPS. He emphasizes the importance of “staying found,” which basically means you should consult the map often enough to know where you are at all times. He suggests the best types of maps to use for navigating and lists a variety of resources for finding good maps of one’s route.

Trekking Poles

Skurka is a big fan of trekking poles and devotes an entire chapter to picking the right poles and using them properly.


This chapter covers both food choices and the nutritional needs of long distance hikers. Skurka doesn’t eat significantly differently from other hikers, but he sometimes carries a lot more food as his trips get longer. A “How 2” gives a couple of his favorite recipes for meals. He also gives tips for choosing food, such as how to make sure food is edible in cold temperatures or won’t melt in warmer temperatures.

Cooking Systems

Although he prefers alcohol stoves, Skurka has used every type of backpacking stove available. This experience helps him summarize their advantages and disadvantages for travel in different seasons and situations. A “How 2” shows how to make a simple alcohol burning stove.


This chapter explains the basics of hydration, finding and purifying water and ways of carrying it.

Small Essentials

This chapter covers all the little odds and ends a hiker carries, like pocket knives, blister care, sunscreen, bear spray, etc. One gem in this chapter was Skurka's guide to LED headlamps (see sidebar).


Skurka saves packs for last because pack choice depends on the gear and food being carried. Assuming you have lightweight gear, he suggests frameless packs. His summer pack is a GoLite Jam; for winter he sizes up to the Pinnacle. He only uses a framed pack when he’s carrying more than 30-35 pounds. A “Tried & True” section describes how to pack gear properly. Skurka’s choice in packs is really the only area I’d argue with him. He says when he’s between torso sizes, he goes down rather than up. I prefer the opposite. My opinion is shared by Will Rietveld in his detailed study of frameless packs. Rietveld suggests erring on the side of longer torso length and folding the sleeping pad rather than rolling it as Skurka does. The method Will describes is considered the best way to keep most of the weight off the wearer’s shoulders. From the pictures in the book, it looks like Skurka’s pack is a size small, and like he’s carrying a lot of the pack weight on his shoulders.

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When his pack is light and well balanced, Andrew barely notices that it’s on. (Photo courtesy Andrew Skurka.)

Part Three

Part Three is a series of sample gear lists for hiking in a variety of U.S. locations from the eastern forest to pack rafting in the desert southwest. A final page gives a few tips for finding gear more affordably.


This book was not written to please “Gear Geeks” or to answer every question about hiking gear. It was written for hikers who need advice on becoming Ultimate Hikers. Judged by that standard I think it does quite well.

On the one hand it provides new hikers with an easy to use guide to gear. If you have no idea what “internal frame packs,” or “shaped tarps” mean that’s fine. This book will explain all that and be readable enough you’ll actually read the whole thing. If you think you’d like to try some lighter weight gear or more ambitious backpacking but aren’t sure where to start, there’s plenty of solid advice.

If you already have a good gear kit and are familiar with ultralight backpacking this is a book that can help you learn techniques to take your hiking to the next level (see my Colorado Trail experience sidebar for an example of this).

What’s Good

  • Covers all the basics in a way that beginners can understand.
  • Includes good ideas for seasoned hikers.
  • Format encourages hikers to actually read it, rather than skim.
  • Lots of great photos.
  • Teaches ultralight techniques without sounding extreme.

What’s Not So Good

  • Pack fitting and packing methods are debatable.
  • Doesn’t address current issues relating to minimalist shoes.

Recommendations for Improvement

  • A few diagrams would be nice, especially in the sections dealing with techniques like pitching a tarp, or packing a backpack.
  • Answering the questions raised by the book, such as “If raincoats wear out, how often should we replace them?”

In spite of these gripes, it’s still a solid book. My hope is that Skurka will fix these on a future edition, but for now, I also hope he'll get down to business writing a book about the Alaska Yukon Expedition.


"Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review," by Luke Schmidt. (ISSN 1537-0364)., 2012-02-27 00:00:00-07.


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Addie Bedford
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Locale: Montana
Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 02/27/2012 12:59:50 MST Print View

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Dave -
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Locale: Up there
Re: Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 02/27/2012 13:27:58 MST Print View

Thanks for the review Luke.

I too would agree with you to size up with frameless packs, at least this has been my experience.

However, Andrew has stated before that with UL loads, he likes to wear his frameless packs with the belt not as a hip belt but as a waist belt, which would necessitate using a shorter torso sized pack. For heavier weights between longer re-supplies, he would choose a longer torso size to place more weight on the hips.

I hope I haven't misquoted what Andrew has said in the past but this is how I remember it.

Edited by FamilyGuy on 02/27/2012 13:28:37 MST.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review" on 02/27/2012 13:39:25 MST Print View

Thanks Luke for your review, sounds like a solid book.

Evan McCarthy
(evanrussia) - MLife

Locale: Northern Europe
Re: "Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review" on 02/27/2012 13:56:47 MST Print View

I really love the way Andrew delineates the world of overnight outdoors-people into ultimate campers and ultimate hikers. Even though this book might not add a lot of information to those who live and breath the latest gear and skill trends, I think this book will be a phenomenal tool to excite and assist new entrants into serious lightweight hiking and backpacking. I look forward to gifting this book as appropriate. Andrew has a great voice and enticing way of pulling people into this (our) form of outdoor activity. Good for him.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Pack Question on 02/27/2012 15:29:03 MST Print View

You might be right David, hopefully he'll give us his take in more detail at some point. From comments in the book it sounds like Andrew finds hipbelts constricting for active hiking. He's probably fit enough to carry more on his shoulders than a lot of us so its probably a good trade off from his point of view.

Is it just me or do LOTS of people like the Mid? Andrew Skurka, Ryan Jordan, Erin and Hig...

Edited by Cameron on 02/27/2012 23:11:51 MST.

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Pack sizing, WP/B fabrics, minimalist footwear on 02/27/2012 22:21:10 MST Print View

First off, Luke, thanks for doing the review. I'm glad to hear that, as an experienced backpacker, you still learned some valuable things from it. But, as you pointed out, it is definitely geared towards a less knowledgeable audience.

Second, if you'd like to purchase a signed copy of the book, you can do so on my website:

To address some of the points in the article:

Pack sizing. I'm on the cusp of GoLite's pack sizing -- I could go with a Medium or a Large. I'm not sure my technique will work if you're solidly in one category or the other. For packs designed for lighter loads, I get a smaller size because the pack inevitably rides up into my waist -- there just isn't enough weight for it to stay sitting on my hips. (Notice how ultra running packs have done away with waist belts entirely, going with shoulder harnesses instead. Light packs are the same idea, less extreme.) And a shorter pack will fit me better when the melt is at my waist. For heavier loads, I go with the larger size because the pack will actually sit on my hips.

WP/B fabrics. I didn't pull any punches in this section. I think the fabric and clothing manufacturers are being very disingenuous in their marketing of this technology -- it has serious flaws, and they want to ignore them. My advice is this: when it is wet outside, expect to get wet, even if you own the latest and greatest shell. A WP/B shell only delays the time it takes to get wet. It will not keep you dry in truly wet conditions. (Dry snowfall and 30-minute monsoons in Arizona don't count as truly wet conditions.) The extra weight of fleece layers and sleeping clothes can be well worth it -- don't pack "stupid light" by forgetting them at home.

Minimalist footwear. I intentionally treated minimalist footwear lightly because the more important argument (for now) is against boots. I really like how minimalist footwear allows my foot to move how it wants to; I really dislike "corrective" (aka "support") features in my shoes. That said, most minimalist shoes don't offer enough protection for backpackers -- my feet get bruised by a 60-minute run on dirt trails, never mind a 15-hour day on cobbled river bars with a 30-lb pack.

Edited by ksawchuk on 02/29/2012 14:00:42 MST.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
fleece on 02/27/2012 22:53:00 MST Print View

its official ... fleece is back in ;)

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Pack sizing, This would be great for Scouts on 02/27/2012 22:57:46 MST Print View

Thanks for the new info. Your choice in packs makes more sense to me now.

Edit - I just thought of another thing with WP/B raingear. Even if $200 raincoats did work as advertized a lot people are going to be going out with cheap raincoats that will leak even when new. Accepting that you'll get wet, and dealing with it is a cheaper, safer strategy.

Have you thought about offering some kind of discount for BSA troops that buy multiple copies. Getting a troop to buy multiple copies would boost your sales. It would also help a troop out more if multiple boys were reading a book and getting excited to try some new ideas.

Edited by Cameron on 02/27/2012 23:53:48 MST.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re Pack sizing, This would be great for Scouts on 02/28/2012 00:07:30 MST Print View

Luke, this doesn't work for cold rain but consider hiking shirtless. Your synthetic shirt won't have to dry if it never gets wet, and there won't be any sun burn risk (clouds). Stay active and you should be good. Might not be an option for females.

Andrew, I think a lot of hiking in minimalist shoes has to do with building up your muscles. I have hiked all day on scree or along river beds and never had bruising issues. I don't blame you for not going into much detail about minimal shoes. You could probably write an entire book on just that subject.

Charles Stephen Lee
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Locale: Fort Smith, Arkansas
Thanks for the honesty... on 02/28/2012 01:30:01 MST Print View

Thanks Andrew, I really appreciate your honesty. Most writers seem to have an ulterior motive to push certain products but you tell it like it is, if it doesn't really work you don't shy away. Gore Tex has it's place but it's not the solution to the world as advertised. The big thing is that most of the general public doesn't understand different environments and the clothing associated with it. I can tell you I understand, I live in Arkansas and work in Casper, WY, two completely different worlds. Thanks again Andrew, excellent book.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: "Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review" on 02/28/2012 03:24:31 MST Print View

I really like the book. It is a good balance between catering to beginners and offering a coherent analysis of UL systems and how to use them for more experienced walkers. I think the book also covers a good range of the necessary topics.

My one complaint (so far) is with the omission of a further analysis of the Paramo system. It is the only rainwear system that I have used that actually actively keeps you dry, as in mechanically... not by heat or hydrophilic or hydrophobic chemical reactions... drawing moisture away. No other system I have used... and I've used them all here in very rainy Japan... can come close to or even compare in function to Paramo. The only two drawbacks I see about Paramo is that it is often too warm for summer use (I overcome this by using Paramo rain jackets as "rain shirts", directly over a very light base layer, or directly on my skin. If it is still too warm then it means it is warm enough not to need rain gear at all... just get wet and let your body heat dry you off when you stop) and, for long-term walking, the need to reproof the shell becomes a problem unless you can send the reproofing ahead in drop boxes.

I recently acquired Paramo's thin, fleece-like "Summit Hoodie" which is basically a Paramo waterproof without the shell, or the "pump liner". I use a Montane Litespeed Wind Jacket or a Montbell Nomad soft-shell jacket over it to act as the raindrop stopping layer, but the Hoodie still acts as the rain and sweat moving layer underneath. Hopefully this will lighten the load and allow me the ability to stay dry in cold rain and at the same time act as a light mid layer for cooler weather. If it is too warm for the Hoodie, I figure the rain and ambient temperature will be warm enough to not have to use rainwear at all, the Litespeed being enough.

Paramo was developed in Scotland, in its very rainy and cold environment, and a steadfast community, including many rescue workers, swear by it. I encourage anyone here to try the system out. You might be quite surprised. It sure surprised me back in 1997. And I'm still using the same jacket from back then (only buying newer ones because they are lighter), with no degradation in functionality or materials.

Andrew did admit that he had never used the Paramo system because it isn't available in the States. That is unfortunate, because I think a lot of American walkers would love the system. I live in Japan and have often bought Paramo gear online.

(I have no affiliation with Paramo, just love their products)

All that being said, this is but a very small note on the book. It is nonetheless a spring of valuable and hard-won information and wisdom that could only have been put together by someone with as much experience out in the wild as Andrew has. Very much worth a read and a permanent part of my outdoor library.

Edited by butuki on 02/28/2012 03:44:07 MST.

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: Pack sizing, WP/B fabrics, minimalist footwear on 02/28/2012 09:24:28 MST Print View

Aha - I am not as forgetful as my wife suggests. I knew remembering how Andrew wears his packs would come in hand one day (I need a life).


Andrew, I loved the video trailer. Any thought in developing a DVD on UL techniques in the backcountry?

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
New Hikers on 02/28/2012 14:45:39 MST Print View

As Evan said, the great value of Andrew's book is to clearly explain to new backpackers the general direction to go in gear, preparation and other aspects of longer distance backpacking.

Hopefully this book will be picked up by most people just getting into backpacking. They need to know that "light is right" and beyond that what their choices are when getting that first backpacking outfit.

BPL constantly sees newcomers to this sport asking what to buy. Often their questions are painfully naive. For 3 season backpacking "The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide" is the answer to at least 90% of those questions.

Good job Andrew. This is now a gift book for a friend of mine new to the sport.

Edited by Danepacker on 02/28/2012 19:23:54 MST.

Thomas Trebisky

Locale: Southern Arizona
Valuable review on 02/29/2012 09:32:04 MST Print View

When I first saw this, I thought "Oh heavens, another UL backpacking book - sigh".
After reading the review I am now thinking that this is a book I should get,
so thanks for the review!!

First we have the author, and I am reminded of one math professors advice,
"Study the masters, not the students", and clearly Andrew is a proven master
if there is such a thing in the UL backpacking world. And the review assures me
that his approach in the book would hit right on target for me.

I don't know why the reviewer beefs about minimalist shoes. I own and run in
five fingers, but have ruled them out for UL backpacking for the same exact reasons
Andrew does.

Also as for pack sizing, I think there are different styles and schools of thought,
my view being if you are really ultralight (maybe sub 25 pounds), you can get rid
of the waist belt entirely. Up around 30 pounds and above the game changes
somewhat for me and I appreciate the waist belt at the end of a long day as shoulder
muscles fatigue. All in all I think the reviewers complaints are more because he
has a different backpacking "style" than because of faults in the book itself.

I can sense from what I have read that Andrew is telling us how he does things,
which is exactly what I would want from a book like this - it is on my shopping list.

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: Valuable review on 02/29/2012 10:04:16 MST Print View

In the introduction to the book I specifically state that this is NOT a "lightweight backpacking book." Instead, I present this book as a manual for backpackers who want to enjoy *hiking* more. The gear, supplies and skills you need to do this are notably different than what you need to enjoy *camping*.

The *weight* of your gear is an important consideration if you wish to enjoy hiking. But I believe that the LW, UL, SUL classifications put too much emphasis on weight. My experience is that when I have taken the LW philosophy ("lighter is better") to its extreme, my hiking experience declines. For example, if I load 35 pounds into a frameless pack, my shoulders hurt all day. If I take too light of a sleeping bag, I don't sleep well and I'm tired the next day. If I don't wear gaiters, I'm stopping constantly to get debris out of my shoes.

In other words, weight is just one variable in the quality of my hiking experience. There are other important characteristics of gear, like durability, efficiency, and reliability. Likewise, your skills are really important too. For example, if I know how to take care of my feet, I can pound on them 15 hours per day, even if they are soaking wet. If I know how to select campsites, I can find a spot that is softer, warmer, drier, and less buggy than where most backpackers camp. If I know how to pack my pack well, it will fit comfortably on my body and I won't lose time looking for things.

If I could describe my approach to backpacking in one word, I would say, "practical." I've mastered how to enjoy hiking, and my hope is that I can share some of my lessons with others through this text.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Valuable review on 02/29/2012 10:26:28 MST Print View

Just finished reading it a couple nights ago. Actually was a pretty quick read. Very enjoyable, and with any well written book I learned a few things.

One thing I want to point out, since Andrew mentioned Colin Fletcher in his book. Fletcher's books were a "state of the market" review. Even the last edition touched on UL and Ray Jardine's influence.

Andrew's book is about the Ultimate Hiker... his definition of those who do multi-month, multi-thousand mile trips. It reviews the gear and techniques used to be an Ultimate Hiker. What he does well is show how gear and techniques can be used by those who want to be less than an Ultimate Hiker, but be more than an Ultimate Camper.

Given this perspective, he cannot and does not touch on all the gear options, ala Fletcher. But he does look at a quite a large swatch of material given his perspective. The gear lists in Part 3 should be excellent references for beginning, seasoned, and Ultimate Hikers alike. Many if not most of the techniques should benefit any hiker who goes out for more than just a day hike.

Additionally, most of the gear he uses or reviews can be bought off the shelf. Not a lot of high priced cottage stuff here.

Good Job, young man!

Hamish McHamish
(El_Canyon) - M

Locale: USA
shoes on 02/29/2012 11:02:11 MST Print View

Andrew said "...most minimalist shoes don't offer enough protection for backpackers -- my feet get bruised by a 60-minute run on dirt trails, never mind a 15-hour day on cobbled river bars with a 30-lb pack."

I'd like to see more discussion of this. I don't recall seeing a lot of this mentioned in BPL's voluminous material on minimalist footwear. Not that it has not ever been mentioned, I just don't remember much support (no pun intended) for addressing the issue.

Thomas Trebisky

Locale: Southern Arizona
Mister Practical on 02/29/2012 11:20:47 MST Print View

Funny that Andrew should call attention to the word "practical".
I was ready to add a note that I sometimes label myself "Mr. Practical".

So, I am eager all the more to get the book, since I see he addresses high
level "philosophical" issues like this. Going light is a means to an end,
that end being to enjoy being outdoors (for me anyway). I have made some gear
adjustments that move me away from what might be the cutting edge in ultralight
because what I am seeking is a way to maximize my overall enjoyment of a trip.
Some people may maximize that by hiking a short distance and having a luxury camp.
That is absolutely fine, but what I am really enjoying is going really light and
covering a lot of ground - so I think I am in harmony with what Andrew is calling
the Ultimate Hiker - which is why I think I will enjoy the book.

I am reevaluating some of my anti-fleece thinking -- but I think this goes hand
in hand with evaluating expected conditions in a given area in a given season.
I sleep cold and also find that I don't do well if I cut corners on amount and
quality of sleep. Others are different, and God bless them -- but each person
has to work out what works best for them. I am always tuning and fiddling and
welcome a cross pollination of well tested ideas.

I have a copy of Colin Fletchers giant book and have been through it many times
with great enjoyment - clearly it is dated as far as gear, but it is written so
well by people (can't leave out Chip Rawlins) who love the outdoors.
My copy has given me many pleasant evenings, motivation, and enjoyment - and is falling

Boots? When was the last time I wore boots (think big snow), can I even find mine?
Boots were the "big lie" back in the old days ....

Edited by trebisky on 02/29/2012 11:26:21 MST.

Kier Selinsky
(Kieran) - F

Locale: Seattle, WA
I Heart BPL on 02/29/2012 14:57:46 MST Print View

I just gotta say how much I love this community. How many places can you have so many knowledgeable people gathered up to have a good convo with the author? So cool. Can't wait to pick up this book, and will probably grab extra copies to hand out to my son's Webelos den as they get ready for boy scouts.

Warren Greer
(WarrenGreer) - F

Locale: SoCal
Nice review on 02/29/2012 20:55:04 MST Print View

Looks like a great read based on the review and others comments. I will have to get a copy too. Should learn more than my $20 worth.

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Book signings, slideshows & clinics on 03/01/2012 16:02:44 MST Print View

There's another thread about this, but I should point out that next week I start a 50-presentation nationwide speaking and book tour. It kicks off on Monday with presentations at Google HQ and Sunrise Mountain Sports.

Complete schedule:

Tjaard Breeuwer
(Tjaard) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota, USA
Nicely written. Format sub-optimal on 03/02/2012 10:09:26 MST Print View

I find the writing very nice to read. It has some very good information for almost anyone.

Here are my suggestions for a second edition:

The narrow soft bound printing is not so good. Leave that for field guides. A book like this should have wider pages and be hard bound to lie open on a table or lap as you read, obscuring less of the page in the fold.

It could use more structured parts on how-to techniques with more illustrations and more detailed step-by-step instructions.

More info on the winter systems.

More, period! It is a very small and cheap book, I would gladly pay more for a more substantial version.

Thanks Andrew,

I really enjoyed it!

Robin McKay
(rlmckay) - M

Locale: Auckland NZ
Andrew's Book on 03/03/2012 00:22:21 MST Print View

I am an experienced ultra light weight hiker in NZ. Got my copy of Andrew's book last week. Good advice, great layout. Would have like more "brand" suggestions on gear. But understand this can date. Well worth the investment - great job Andrew!

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
WP/B fabrics, eVent on 03/04/2012 00:36:51 MST Print View

As for the section of the book addressing WP/B fabrics, is eVent included in any analyses or comparisons? (Sorry, haven't read the book, but seriously considering.)

Charles Stephen Lee
(charllee) - MLife

Locale: Fort Smith, Arkansas
eVent on 03/04/2012 07:12:44 MST Print View

Hey Chris, eVent is covered... Take Care

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: eVent on 03/04/2012 12:07:18 MST Print View

Yes, eVent is covered in the book, as part of the discussion about WP/B fabrics. I spent a lot of time researching this topic and spent many pages discussing it, but of all the things I said, I think there are two sentences that summarize my thoughts best:

"In my opinion, the performance of WP/B shells has been greatly oversold -- the product category name, "waterproof-breathable", is itself an oxymoron. My real-world experience is that they fail to keep me dry during prolong storms, or even during short storms if the fabric has been compromised by dirt, body oils, and /or abrasion, which is unavoidable on a long trip."

So while eVent may be marginally more breathable and/or waterproof than other fabrics such as Gore-Tex, I would still encourage you to be realistic about its limitations. When it's when outside, expect to get wet, and find other tools and techniques (e.g. fleece and fire-starting) that will enable you to thrive in those conditions.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: eVent on 03/04/2012 13:36:41 MST Print View

It seems like eVent has a better DWR coating - water beads up on the outside surface better than other fabrics

All of the focus is on the membrane, but maybe the DWR coating is what people should look at

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: Re: Re: eVent on 03/04/2012 13:44:22 MST Print View

No - EVent breathes much better than any other WP fabric out there. My experience is from using it on tents, bivvies, gaiters, and jackets.

Erin McKittrick
(mckittre) - MLife

Locale: Seldovia, Alaska
WPB fabrics, minimalist shoes on 03/04/2012 15:48:28 MST Print View

Andrew, have you ever tried the Dermizax fabric? Only place I've ever seen it is from Alpacka raft, where Sheri was playing around with experimental hiking drysuits. I agree with you about raingear in general (and the fleece - we've been wearing powerstretch fleece suits as a baselayer in wet conditions for many years), but Dermizax really is better than most shells. Like any WPB fabric, it'll wear out and you'll get wet, but we've found it to be light years better in maintaining waterproofness than GoreTex, eVent, and other similar fabrics. Not that that helps anyone, really, since it's impossible to get a hold of.

Minimalist shoes. Hig and I did try that experiment on our 2-month Malaspina Glacier expedition with some Merrel trail gloves and some Innov8 shoes. Our feet did fine. The shoes were constantly getting torn. They felt nice to wear, but we'd never have made it to the end of the trip if Hig hadn't darned the shoes several times where they were getting giant holes.

Randy Martin
(randalmartin) - F

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: eVent on 03/04/2012 16:13:31 MST Print View

"It seems like eVent has a better DWR coating - water beads up on the outside surface better than other fabrics"

eVent and Goretex have an outer layer of Nylon typically. This layer protects the membrane and the DWR is applied to that. So eVent doesn't have a better DWR coating, that's up to the maker of the final garment and what DWR they apply to the exterior face fabric.

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: WPB fabrics, minimalist shoes on 03/04/2012 16:13:45 MST Print View

The spraydeck on my Alaska-Yukon raft was WP/B, so perhaps it was the Dermizax fabric, not sure. It performed well in that application, but I would be reluctant to extrapolate that to other applications where the fabric is subject to more abrasion, sweat, body oils, etc. As an earlier poster said, the problem is not so much with the membranes of WP/B fabrics but with the DWR finish, which is the Achilles heel. The DWR craps out quickly and, once it does, I find that breathability completely stops (because the exterior shell fabric is soaked, so there is no where for the water inside the shell to go) and water may actually start moving into the fabric (because it more humid outside the shell than inside).

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: WPB fabrics, minimalist shoes on 03/04/2012 16:22:23 MST Print View

"DWR finish, which is the Achilles heel."

Is there anything you can do to restore DWR

Isn't the DWR applied by the fabric manufacturer, not the clothing sewer

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: Re: Re: WPB fabrics, minimalist shoes on 03/04/2012 16:27:59 MST Print View

Use Revivex. Put it in the dryer. Take an iron to it. All that helps but it is a bandaid solution.

I would think that the fabric supplier would deliver the entire fabric with its exterior fabric and DWR, but maybe someone else can confirm.

Randy Martin
(randalmartin) - F

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: WPB fabrics, minimalist shoes on 03/04/2012 16:44:47 MST Print View

"DWR finish, which is the Achilles heel." Is there anything you can do to restore DWR
Isn't the DWR applied by the fabric manufacturer, not the clothing sewer

The manufacturer does initially provide a DWR finish which is normally good for a number of washes. Grangers and others make DWR products you can apply yourself aftermarket. You need to wash your garments periodically using a product specified for technical garments (Grangers makes one). The DWR is typically re-applied right after washing but before drying. It is sprayed on.

Andrew is right on in his criticism of WPB garments in general. If the DWR is compromised then the sweat vapor cannot pass through the saturated outer layer, however, the membrane will still prevent water penetration from the outside. That, however, doesn't help much if you are working hard and sweating (I.e. wet from the inside).

I would also add that the relative humidity is an important element. Outside the Rockies the Relative Humidity tends to be so high already that evaporation is greatly compromised and further degrades performance of these garments. In those cases, if it's not too cold then you are probably better off to have a quick drying layer on and just deal with being wet knowing you will dry out quickly.

Edited by randalmartin on 03/04/2012 16:53:20 MST.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
ventilation on 03/04/2012 17:08:43 MST Print View

the only way to fly ...

look up OR's torso flo system ... youll never go back to anything else ;)

that and a light fleece ...

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
WP/B performance failure on 03/04/2012 23:28:28 MST Print View

"In my opinion, the performance of WP/B shells has been greatly oversold -- the product category name, "waterproof-breathable", is itself an oxymoron. My real-world experience is that they fail to keep me dry during prolong storms, or even during short storms if the fabric has been compromised by dirt, body oils, and /or abrasion, which is unavoidable on a long trip."

So, if I am to correctly understand what you are saying, it's the "B" of the WP/B equation that is failing, not necessarily the "WP". In other words, it's your own perspiration that is making you wet, as opposed to any direct outside precipitation.

"As an earlier poster said, the problem is not so much with the membranes of WP/B fabrics but with the DWR finish, which is the Achilles heel. The DWR craps out quickly and, once it does, I find that breathability completely stops (because the exterior shell fabric is soaked, so there is no where for the water inside the shell to go) and water may actually start moving into the fabric (because it more humid outside the shell than inside)."

By "moving into the fabric" you mean, wetted out, correct? Or are you saying that the water actually moves past the WP membrane? I assume that it's not the membrane that is failing, but would like to clairify.

"Andrew is right on in his criticism of WPB garments in general. If the DWR is compromised then the sweat vapor cannot pass through the saturated outer layer, however, the membrane will still prevent water penetration from the outside. That, however, doesn't help much if you are working hard and sweating (I.e. wet from the inside)."

If it's true that it's just the DWR failing and not the membrane, then I guess that's where pit zips come in handy. Of course everyone hikes their own hike, but personally I would also adjust my pace to prevent overheating. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying the solution. I've only done a week at most with tens of miles, not months at a time with hundreds, thousands of miles.

Edited by NightMarcher on 03/04/2012 23:40:44 MST.

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: WP/B performance failure on 03/04/2012 23:36:26 MST Print View

I think it's a failure of the WP and the B. Here's how:

The functionality of the fabric is dependent on relative humidity levels. Moisture will move from the side of higher humidity towards the side of lower humidity. For example, if it's really humid inside the jacket and it's really dry outside the jacket, then moisture will pass through the fabric from inside to outside.

Once the DWR craps out, which is will, then my experience is that the fabric stops being both WP or B.

B. Moisture saturates the exterior fabric, creating an effective outside humidity level of 100%. The moisture inside the jacket will not pass through the fabric, so it builds up inside.

WP. If it's 100% humidity outside, and less than 100% inside, moisture will move through the membrane inside the jacket. There is nothing special about the fabric that prevents two-way movement of moisture.

Nick Brown

Locale: Highland Park
VR and Paramo on 03/05/2012 00:51:48 MST Print View


What are your thoughts about Paramo fabrics and something like Rab's Vapour Rise? They have a dwr and will obviously wet out in heavier conditions but, if I understand correctly, will act to pump the moisture out as there is no membrane. It seems these might be better than a wpb because they are actively trying to remove moisture rather than containing it through condensation build up?

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: VR and Paramo on 03/05/2012 00:55:29 MST Print View

Haven't tried either material but I would like to. Chris Townsend has great things to say about Paramo.

wander lust
paramo and dermizax on 03/05/2012 04:38:21 MST Print View

there are quite a few threads about it on bpl.

note that paramo is usually too warm for anything warmer than 40 F.
And it can also wet out in heavy rain if the jacket hasn't been washed and or reproofed in a while. it can keep you warm in those conditions though. so, it might not be the best choice for really long trips in wet conditions. a lot of people love it and it should work brilliantly on long trips when you only encounter snow.

I would really like to hear more about dermizax, it has been improved over the last few years and it works in a different way. Not many people use it though.

I started a new thread about Dermizax here, so let's not get too off topic here.

Inaki Diaz de Etura
(inaki) - MLife

Locale: Iberia highlands
Re: WP/B performance failure on 03/05/2012 04:39:26 MST Print View

Chris, what you mention may help but it's not a solution, I don't think there's such thing other than what Andrew says about accepting getting somewhat wet. I take is as fact: backpacking in long-lasting rain, a membrane will leave you wet. Humidity source (inside or outside) is not that important; I guess it's mostly from inside but I also think water has this ability to find its way if you give it time so at the end of the non-stop rainy day you're wet and it's probably coming both ways.

Membranes are diverse: there are monolithic (ie, solid) membranes where what Andrew said about reversed moisture transfer probably happens, maybe not, but those membranes anyway are the most resistant to transfer (breath little) so it's probably more about inside humidity. Porous membranes breath better and are also more prone to water penetration from outside with use (dirt, body oils) having a known effect on this.

Whatever the membrane, there's a wide area that's not gonna breathe because it's covered by the pack and we get wet there. Pit zips may help but I don't think they can do much. Adjusting the pace helps too, as it does stopping under cover, if at all possible, and try to vent internal moisture for a few minutes. Or using an umbrella, if at all possible, to allow for much more direct ventilation than pit zips would allow (front torso and head).

Sometimes everything is dripping wet. We cannot expect to be the only dry thing around. Getting wet is part of the deal.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 03/05/2012 07:09:38 MST Print View

I believe that Andrew has this correct. All of the WP/B fabrics are designed to withstand light moisture at the expense of breathability. The materials involve will all work in BOTH directions, soo, they don't really work. Wet from rain, wet from perspiration. Either way, you get wet. And forget anything that involves a high degree of external moisture. Trying to use a WP/B shell in fairly cold conditions with 100% humidity means you WILL get wet. They simply do not vent quickly enough. Water builds up quickly, from the inside, while you hike.

I have tried a few, they never worked for me. Here in the ADK's they always get me wet after a few hours...good for a quick day hike. Or, maybe for shedding snow. Fleece works almost as well and stays warmer when you do start wetting out. It does not prevent moisture from prenetrating, but the fabric "body" is better protected from mist and rain. Once that fabric is wet, the WP/B stops. But there is enough stiffness to the fleece to still maintain insulation, wet or dry. And, because of the PET base fabric, it does not absorb moisture, soo, it dryes a bit quicker when given the chance. I've hung my fleece and watched water run out of it when wet and fairly clean. The biggest down side is it doesn't last a long time. One, maybe two seasons is about it. But, hey...they are cheeep. One trick is to stretch them out on a table and brush one side for a couple minutes with a stiffer hair brush. Then turn them inside out and repeat the process. This will hold the fleeciness out and keep the fleece (combed and pulled at the factory) from getting tangled and matted.

Andrew, Good Book, Thanks!

Pete Garcia
(pgjgarcia) - MLife

Locale: SE PA
LOVE IT! on 03/08/2012 16:15:49 MST Print View

Great book, but ironically heavy, thinking about trimming off the covers & table of contents!

Edited by pgjgarcia on 03/15/2012 21:07:46 MDT.

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
Any mention of bivy bags? on 03/17/2012 20:45:52 MDT Print View

I was wondering, is there any mention of the usage of bivy bags in the book? I know that the review stated that Andrew prefers tarps, but still I would like to know if this particular gear item is mentioned/addressed as a shelter option.

Also, given light of the performance (well, failure) of WP/B jackets, and considering that many bivys are constructed from the same fabrics as jackets (Gore-Tex, eVent, etc.), I would be interested in reading/hearing Andrew's insight on the subject.

Edited by NightMarcher on 03/17/2012 20:46:49 MDT.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re Any Mention of Bivy Bags? on 03/17/2012 20:50:21 MDT Print View

He likes to use water resistant (but not WP/B) bivies under his tarps. He does not care for stand alone WP/B bivies (too muggy, not comfortable in rainy weather etc). Come to think of it I dont' think very many people here ever use WP/B bivies.

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: Re Any Mention of Bivy Bags? on 03/17/2012 23:52:45 MDT Print View

"Come to think of it I dont' think very many people here ever use WP/B bivies."

I do and Ryan Jordan does. Otherwise, you may be correct.

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
WP/B Bivies on 03/17/2012 23:55:36 MDT Print View

"Come to think of it I dont' think very many people here ever use WP/B bivies."

I think the Integral Designs' eVent bivies, Mountain Laurel Designs' eVent bivies, as well as some non-eVent bivies (Mont-Bell) have a loyal following here. As for whether they are used strictly as stand-alone bivies, I am not too sure...

Edited by NightMarcher on 03/17/2012 23:56:34 MDT.

Richard Scruggs
(JRScruggs) - MLife

Locale: Oregon
Re: Book signings, slideshows & clinics on 03/18/2012 01:31:40 MDT Print View

The locations shown on the linked map don't show date/time for the clinics, and not all locations are included in the list of scheduled events below the map.

Wonder if those clinics/events without dates and times on the map are "yet to be scheduled" --- or have they already been held? For example, Portland, OR.


John Jensen
(JohnJ) - F

Locale: Orange County, CA
My Quick Review on 03/18/2012 07:23:30 MDT Print View

I'm a relative newbie to backpacking. I'm the sort who when deciding packs or sleeping bags or stoves will burn four or five hours non-stop in google searches. I joined here last year and worked the search button pretty seriously. At this point I have a lot of web learnin' but just a half dozen nights out (hundreds of day hikes/mtbs though).

I got The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide from the library yesterday and gave it a fast skim. I like it. It represents a lot of the same information you find in a forum like this, but nicely organized. No four hour searches required. It has those "Skurka's picks" which save time and cut across a lot of discussion.

It is a great introduction and survey for non-obsessives.

From there you can go on to multi-hour searches on aluminum versus titanium Caldera Cones ... or not, at your preference.

Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
My Quick Review on 03/29/2012 10:31:49 MDT Print View

I finished it recently, and it was a good read. I'd recommend it over Chris Townsend's latest edition of his Backpacker's Handbook. There were only a few things that stuck out at me as odd (or wrong IMHO). The torso length issue was already addressed and Andrew explained why he goes smaller if given the choice. Perhaps I missed these others:

1. "Don't be tempted to use a Walmart grease pot or a Foster's beer can - neither is durable enough for a week-long trip, and the Foster's can has horrible efficiency..." Seems like thru-hikers have used these before. I certainly haven't had any trouble with a Heineken can. I'll admit the Foster's would not be as robust as a Heineken unless you add your own ridges to it (or buy one from zelph). I can't imagine why one wouldn't last for at least a year. As for efficiency, the loss from wide and tall shape is mostly offset by the gain from the very thin metal. Works great on my Super Cat.

2. "Viruses are the second most common pathogen in North American water sources. Bacteria are the least common." Everything I've read indicates this is wrong - it's reversed. Viruses are a non-issue here.

3. "My first aid kit grew markedly bigger after I took an 80-hour, ten-day Wilderness First Responder course..." I recall a thread here where the majority claimed exactly the opposite effect (myself included) though most had taken the shorter WFA course. Even if I was in a group, I would not take a CPR mask.

There may have been a few other questionable things but those stuck out so much to me that I dogearred the pages. Great job overall though. Much better than the sample chapter he had originally posted a year ago. The more mainstream distribution for this should help educate more newbies into going lightweight.

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
Re: Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 08/02/2012 13:20:50 MDT Print View

I finally got around to purchasing the book, and I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. I would recommend it for anyone starting out in any sort of self-propelled outdoor pursuit (not only hiking), as the smart lightweight philosophy transfers over to those activities fairly well.

I don't know if Andrew is still following this thread, but I was curious as to what mummy bag he pairs with his MLD Spirit quilt. He mentions the technique in "Skurka's Picks" (p 86), but doesn't mention which specific brand/model of mummy bag he uses in this approach.

Of course, YMMV, "it's not a gear guide..." etc. But still, I would like to know.

I hope that Andrew does decide to publish a book on his Alaska-Yukon Expedition. That would make for a good read...

Dena Kelley

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
Re: Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 08/02/2012 17:09:15 MDT Print View

This round table has convinced me to buy the book. Thanks.

I also appreciate that I am not the only person to think WPB materials are over-hyped and don't do a good job of keeping you dry. I frankly get frustrated that nearly everything being sold now is some version of WPB membrane. I would love to get a light shell that is 100% impermeable but has features like pit zips, zipper pockets, removable (or stow-in-collar) hood, and a durable material that can take a bit of bushwhacking. I have an old WPB shell that I'm tempted to figure out how to fully waterproof because it meets everything I want except that it's not waterproof.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Re: Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 08/02/2012 18:16:42 MDT Print View

"I have an old WPB shell that I'm tempted to figure out how to fully waterproof because it meets everything I want except that it's not waterproof."

I have an old wind jacket that is nylon. I sealed it into a rain jacket using diluted calk. Sort'of like a glorified tent. It works....

Dena Kelley

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
Sealing w. diluted caulk... on 08/03/2012 12:55:56 MDT Print View


Can you elaborate? How did you seal the jacket with diluted caulk? What did you dilute with and what method did you use to apply it to the jacket? Thanks-

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Sealing w. diluted caulk... on 08/03/2012 13:38:13 MDT Print View

Standard stuff, mostly. Mineral spirits and high quality silcone caulk (or calk...same word, different spelling.) About 10:1 mineral spirits:calk. Stretch it out and do both sides working it in well. Not a real heavy coat after it it worked in, it adds about .4oz per yard...more is probably overkill and cause peeling.

I did a plain old wind breaker. Inside, then propped it open with some sticks and outside. This was untreated fabric, though. If you start with silnylon or the like, then a light coat, say about 20:1, should work. Frankly, DWR never worked all that well in storms for me. I get about 6 hours of fairly dry time, then it starts wetting out. A fully waterproof jacket does as well, but it wets out from the inside, due to sweat in about 6 hours. Soo, generally, I don't use any. Just quick drying clothing in summer. Later in fall, I use it, though. Hiking cold means I don't perspire much. Better to be cool all day than wet at camp and at night. Often, a light T shirt and rain jacket is all I use for temps down to about 35-40F. 50F it gets too warm, so I just use a nylon or poly long sleeved shirt. They will dry in about 15-20 minutes after a rain. Again, this means hiking a bit cool, allowing my exertion to regulate my heat. Faster/harder if I feel cold. But, this is mostly solo hiking for me the past few years. Shivering cold is OK as long as you recognize the danger of loosing energy and going into hypothermia. At that point I add something else to get wet. Wet clothing is far better than no clothing. Keep your cloths ON, even if they are soaked, untill you can get them off and change in a dry area.

Andrew Skurka
(askurka) - F
Re: Re: Andrew Skurka's The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Book Review on 08/03/2012 17:56:44 MDT Print View

Chris -

I have, but don't recommend, pairing a quilt with a mummy. If you need a winter-worthy sleep system but don't have the cash to buy one, that's the time to do it. But having just one bag is better than having two -- simpler and warmer for its weight.

The 0-deg mummy bag I intentionally left unmentioned. It was a GoLite mummy bag. Unless they have changed the dimensions, you have to be very lean to fit inside of it while wearing additional clothing. Part of the reason I took it down to -25F without zipping it up was because I might have suffocated.

Glad you liked the book. I agree that it's not a "gear guide" and I argued hard with NG on this point, but they had final say over the title.