Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear

News from the cottage industry is conspicuously absent from Outdoor Retailer, where even modest booths can be more costly than a serious gear-buying habit. So, here are a few new and noteworthy pieces of gear from smaller manufacturers that were either released late in 2011 or are coming in 2012. Keep these items on your radar as you prepare for the coming season!

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by Ryan Jordan | 2012-01-17 00:00:00-07

As we enter a new year, we can’t help but wonder when winter will release its grip, and we can once again replace our titanium crampons with zero drop shoes and leave the handwarmers at home as we begin the process of planning trips for the coming year.

With that trip planning comes a twinge of excitement, perhaps, for what new gear will be released this year, starting with this coming week’s announcements from the Outdoor Retailer Show. Unfortunately, missing from Outdoor Retailer (and rightfully so, considering the massive costs of renting a booth) is news from the cottage industry.

So, here are a few new and noteworthy pieces of gear from smaller manufacturers that were either released late in 2011 or are coming in 2012. Keep these items on your radar as you prepare for the coming season.

Tarptent Notch - Henry Shires introduces another entry into the “double-wall, double-entry, double-vestibule, trekking-pole-supported ultralight tent” niche with the Notch (and the larger Stratosphires). Ever since Bob Molen (Big Sky Products) introduced a double-entry / double-vestibule solo tent more than eight years ago, I’ve been a big fan of the design concept for its usability - keep gear on one side of the vestibule, and cook in the other. I especially like that the Notch offers fly-protected entries, which means big views and ventilation when rain is falling. Requiring only four stakes to pitch, I think the 26-ounce Notch just might prove to be “light enough” of a summer shelter solution to sway a few tarp campers. I hope Henry explores the possibility of expanding this design to include a full-fabric inner and the ability to use skis for support - which would make for a very light, warm, and imminently usable winter tent for mild conditions.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 1
Tarptent Notch - A 26-oz, double-wall, double-door, double-vestibule, trekking-pole-supported summer tent, and only four stakes required.

Gossamer Gear Murmur - The Gossamer Gear Murmur promises to usher in a new wave of small volume packs that are not made with wispy fabrics, which means they only gain a few ounces of weight and should last longer. At 8.4 ounces and 28 liters of volume, the Murmur is sized about right for the proficient ultralight backpacker that has managed to downsize the volume of the rest of his gear to miniature proportions, and thus, is most suitable for short weekends and summer trekking that don’t require a lot of food or gear. Although still using silnylon for the bulk of its body, much of its outward-facing wear areas are reinforced with more durable 140d and 210d nylons. Also keep an eye towards the 2012 version of the Mountain Laurel Designs Newt pack, which is targeted similarly, but is manufactured entirely from 210d fabric. What I really like about the Newt is that the manufacturer claims that its load rating is “strong enough for 40+ pounds” - which tells me that Ron Bell is paying very careful attention to the manufacturing quality, and seam strength of the pack, perhaps more so than his competitors. Finally, Six Moon Designs is working on a similarly-positioned “Feather” pack, weighing in at 11 ounces with a packbag of slightly larger volume, perhaps.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 2
Gossamer Gear Murmur - 8.4 oz, 1700 ci main compartment, 20 lb maximum load carrying capacity.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 3
Mountain Laurel Designs Newt - 7.5 oz, 1500 ci main compartment, manufactured to a load rating of 40+ pounds, with durable 210d fabric throughout.

Mountain Laurel Designs Big Star - Riding on the coattails of the popular TrailStar, MLD will usher in 2012 with a larger version, the Big Star. For 24 ounces, you get multi-pitch options, weather resistant shelter, strong silnylon construction with no zippers, doors, or other frills (or failure points), and enough room to sleep three or four hikers. I don’t think it will offer the snow or wind loading resistance of its smaller cousins due to much larger unsupported fabric panels, but it should provide the basis of a good time when sharing shelter for a group while on a nice romp through the mountains during non-snowy seasons.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 4
Mountain Laurel Designs Big Star - A 24-oz shelter for three or four based on the popular Trail Star design concept.

Nunatak Gear 950+ Fill Power Down - Nunatak recently announced the option to fill your custom garments and bags with 950+ fill power goose down for only $8 an ounce extra. Their confusing marketing suggests that their “875+ fill power down is superior in every way”. My guess is that Nunatak is well aware of the poor moisture resistance of this high-grade down. My own experience with “very high” (i.e., > 900) fill power downs suggests that it’s so sensitive to humidity and condensation that it takes precious little moisture (e.g., one night of condensation accumulation during a cold night) to reduce its loft to levels that have always made me wish for something a little more robust. So if you’re considering it, you might also consider that it seems mostly to be a novelty that looks better in your gear list weight column than on a rainy night in the wilds. I will concede that there may be some applicability of very high fill power down for hikers traveling through mostly dry and warm environments. Look for 900+ fill power down in Katabatic Gear quilts as well in 2012.

Goosefeet Down Jackets - Goosefeet is best known for their really light down booties. When I hiked with Ben Smith last spring, he was sporting an awfully puffy looking hooded down pullover while whispering its weight under his breath to our hiking companions. I couldn’t resist the urge, so I had him make me one, too. With a 7d shell and lining, 900 fill power down (yes, the stuff that is most sensitive to humidity), hood, long length, and loft measured in inches instead of centimeters, my 7-ounce down hoody is way too warm for summer use on warm evenings, but seems to be a reasonable complement for quilting in cold conditions. Look for Ben to bring this jacket into his core product line in 2012, perhaps, but don’t expect it to remain too lofty in damp conditions.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 5
Goosefeet Down Jacket - 900 fill down, 7d shell and lining, hood, pullover design, and long enough to cover the butt (parka length), this jacket weighs about 7 oz.

Hyperlite Mountain Gear Traverse Shelter - Take the twin-peaked MLD Circus Tent (or the GoLite Shangri-La 6) and downsize them for a more reasonable capacity of three or four people, lighten up the fabric, and you have the Traverse. At 11’6” x 8’0” (with 7’2” between the poles) and a 4’0” height, the 19-ounce traverse would be a terrific group shelter in the mountains. Replace more robust poles with trekking poles for support, carve out some benches with a snow shovel, and you can bet this will attract the eye of winter travelers. Save your coin, though. At $650, ultralight group living doesn’t come cheap.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 6
HMG Traverse Shelter. 19 oz, room for four + gear, supported by trekking poles.

Ruta Locura Wasatch Bivy Sack - With a 7x10d breathable fabric upper and 7d silnylon floor, this new bivy sack weighs a remarkable 4.35 ounces. The utility of breathable bivy sacks, especially for tarp campers using quilts, cannot be emphasized enough, and Josh Leavitt takes the concept a step further with this innovative use of what will undoubtedly be an exciting new fabric (7d silnylon) that we’ll see pop up in more applications in 2012. My fear is durability of the seams. Every sub-8-ounce bivy sack that I’ve ever used (including Backpacking Light’s original Vapr Bivy models) has failed due to seams ripping out, and never from using fabrics that are too light - although the risk of low strength seams becomes much higher with ultralight fabrics. It will be interesting to see if Josh can solve this dilemma and create seams that are durable enough to handle repeated seam stress exerted by those of us who thrash in their sleep. Also coming from Ruta Locura in 2012: three-piece collapsible (to 20”) trekking poles that weigh 4 ounces each, and what should be an astoundingly ultralight jacket made of the new 7d silnylon.

Also for bivy campers - keep your eye on Oware USA, who will release their first bivy sack made with the newest version of “waterproof-breathable” and seam-taped Cuben Fiber. At 3.5 ounces, it may be the lightest waterproof-bivy ever specified. Worth watching. Joe Valesko at ZPacks is also making rain jackets out of the same material. For four ounces, if the jackets prove to be durable - this could be a big winner in 2012 as well. Also from ZPacks: whisperings about a new freestanding dome tent made from Cuben Fiber. Joe’s goal: make the lightest freestanding tent available.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 7
Oware USA Cuben Fiber waterproof-breathable bivy sack, 3.5 oz, size small.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 8
ZPacks waterproof-breathable Cuben Fiber rain jacket. 4.5 oz, size medium.

Six Moon Designs Skyscape X - SMD is offering a Cuben Fiber version of the Skyscape Tent - making it one of the lightest solo tents available - 15 ounces. Kurt Russel, a long-since-retired (resigned?) cottage gear manufacturer under the Wanderlust label, pioneered the design (he called it the Nomad Lite), and it became one of the most popular ultralight tents on the market, especially in the eastern U.S. Lightheart Gear and Six Moon Designs have both caught on to the concept, which is based primarily upon the premise that “some” amount of structure can be provided by placing the trekking poles in an “A” frame configuration internally, and then tensioning the ends of the tent as high as possible. In theory, the concept should work - especially for wind and snow loading. In practice, it depends on whether or not the tent’s construction and fabric can handle the extreme tension required to keep the fabric panels taut enough for meaningful storm resistance. My experience with both the Nomad Lite and early Cuben Fiber prototypes of the Lightheart Gear were not terribly positive - buttoned up, they were condensation traps, and their poor fly coverage resulted in sideways-blowing rain easily entering the tent. I’m more hopeful for the Skyscape, which makes important design modifications to the floor shape and fly configuration. My favorite thing about these tents is the view: roll up the fly and you have fantastic 360-degree views - something I value when hiking in grizzly bear (and mosquito) country. Regardless of what you value in an ultralight tent, the Skyscape X looks to provide a very lightweight - albeit a rather expensive ($450) - option as a solo summer shelter.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 9
Six Moon Designs Skyscape X - A 15-oz Cuben Fiber solo tent with a roll-back fly for 360-degree views and internal trekking pole support for wind resistance and snow loading.

For gram counters who hike in pairs, the Six Moon Designs Cuben Fiber Haven might be a good option. When included with an inner tent, the Haven becomes a two-person, dual-entrance, dual-vestibule summer tent - for a remarkable 24 ounces. Pitched with two trekking poles and requiring four stakes, the Haven would not provide a lot of structure for a tent this size, so don’t expect its large panels to provide a lot of peace on a stormy or snowy night. However, did I mention that it’s 24 ounces? That makes it the lightest two-person double-wall tent on the market.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 10
Six Moon Designs Haven - Dual entry, dual vestibules, sets up with two trekking poles, Cuben Fiber fly, 24 ounces with a fully enclosed inner tent. This is a photo of a prototype, so we expect the less-than-perfect patterning in this one to be tightened up on production models.

Speaking of Cuben Fiber, keep your eye on Terra Nova. This year will see the launch of their new Quasar Cuben Fiber pack line. Check out these specs: 30, 45, and 55 liters at weights of 12 to 30 ounces, with the biggest version offering an internal frame.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 11
Terra Nova Quasar Cuben Fiber Packs. 30 to 55 liters, 12 to 30 oz.

Yama Mountain Gear is moving away from commercially manufactured products and towards building DIY kits, but not before they release what is a very nice looking Cuben Fiber tarp with lots of storm coverage. The 7-oz Cirriform Tarp should mate nicely with their Model 1.25 Bug Shelter for a very light and roomy summer solution for the solo hiker.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 12
Yama Mountain Gear Cirriform in Cuben Fiber, 7 oz.

Locus Gear, a manufacturer of pyramid-style shelters in Japan, will release a version of the Khufu shelter in eVENT in 2012. I’m glad to see them exploring breathable fabrics for floorless shelters. While a little heavier, the condensation-free comfort they bring, especially in winter conditions, might be worth it for some. Several years ago, I contracted GoLite to manufacture versions of their Hex pyramids out of Nextec’s Epic fabric, and their performance was exceptional during the winter. Combined with a snow skirt, an eVENT fabric pyramid might be appealing to winter hikers.

Water-Resistant Down - Chemists have figured out how to add hydrophobic nanomolecular coatings to down plumules. If this works, this will offer a far better bang for your buck than spec’ing super-high-fill down (see above), which is only useful when the garment is hanging in your closet. Down that resists loft degradation in response to the accumulation of humidity or condensation in the garment or bag - now that gives us something to hope for. Look for new products in 2012 from Sierra Designs, Brooks Range, and others using this new “hydrophobic” down.

ULA Equipment will upgrade their pack line in 2012 with new fabric that preserves weight, doubles puncture resistance, increases tear resistance, and (maybe!) decreases water absorption - all without increasing weight or sacrificing that cool “Dyneema Grid Look.”

Tenkara USA will offer an attachment for existing rod owners that will allow them to reduce the length of their rod. This might be a good option for those that want to own only one rod and adapt it accordingly (reducing weight) for some backpacking scenarios.

Alpacka Raft has redesigned their pack raft spray skirts (again) so they behave more like a kayak sprayskirt and deck. Being able to exit the boat when flipped without fooling around with Velcro or fumbling with grab loops will be nice. Combined with last year’s introduction of the drop tail, the Alpacka is emerging as a very serious tool for whitewater use, while maintaining “pool toy” weights that save us pack weight.

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear - 13
The 2012 Alpacka Spray Deck adds 14.5 oz to any packraft and is essential for packrafting in whitewater and a very nice option to have in cold, wet weather.

Finally, from the non-commercial side of things - this is where much excitement is generated - Forrest McCarthy brings us the Unbinding Ski System.

Summary

Backpacking Light will be taking a much closer and critical look at cottage-industry manufactured gear in 2012. With the “ultralight” product niche becoming increasingly crowded with similar products, distinguishing them based on features or weight alone is no longer the overwhelming concern of many customers - a key finding we discovered in our Fall 2011 reader survey. Manufacturing quality, durability, performance under a wider range of environmental conditions, cost, and aesthetic appeal to become increasingly important for cottage manufacturers as they continue to compete for slices of the somewhat small pie of of the ultralight gear market.


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"Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear," by Ryan Jordan. BackpackingLight.com (ISSN 1537-0364).
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Addie Bedford
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Locale: Montana
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 15:02:04 MST Print View

Companion forum thread to:

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 15:50:52 MST Print View

Stagnation first. Now new and noteworthy. Ryan, you are toying with us.

keep it up.

Edited by kthompson on 01/17/2012 15:53:41 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 15:54:36 MST Print View

Breathable Cuben. Sounds ridiculous.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 17:37:59 MST Print View

I like the output of material. I did think the juxtaposition of this and the stagnation article was odd, but I enjoyed reading Ryan's thoughts on the new gear.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Nice Overview on 01/17/2012 19:12:00 MST Print View

Nice overview Ryan.

I like the thoughts on gear. Seems that in the past BPL would basically just publish the gear and its advertized stats without a lot of commentary. Thats really not much to go on. I like that Ryan pointed out some things like
a. That 950 fill power goosedown may not be all that practical in the real world.
b. The move toward more durablity in SUL packs
c. Pointing out the Big Star may not be as good as its smaller counsins under snow

I like the realism of it. Defintely some cool stuff to get excited about but also some common sense.

No really new comcepts here but I think water resistant down and WP/B cuban are things to watch.

Edited by Cameron on 01/17/2012 19:16:15 MST.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 20:33:39 MST Print View

Great article. Thank you.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
cuben dome tent on 01/18/2012 08:53:36 MST Print View

I really like the idea of a dome tent out of cuben. It would be great if it had a mesh inner. Probabaly still be too small for me though but it is nice to dream.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/18/2012 10:20:21 MST Print View

It'd be great to see an article devoted to various fill powers and the effects of humidity on it.

Perhaps single baffle chambers of equivalent weights of down could be taken into a bathroom with the shower on and test the lclo. Somewhat compressed down can retain most of it's initial insulation value—has it been tested to see if down in a humid environment doesn't?

Hamish McHamish
(El_Canyon) - M

Locale: USA
_ on 01/18/2012 10:44:19 MST Print View

Great writeup that offers juicy "insider" info to those of us not so closely connected to the industry, plus insightful personal knowledge (i.e. I didn't know about the unique 900 fill power down problem). Thanks!

Ceph Lotus
(Cephalotus) - MLife

Locale: California
Zpacks Dome Tent on 01/18/2012 10:50:08 MST Print View

I'm looking forward to the Zpacks dome tent.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
my *hopeful* list on 01/18/2012 11:51:08 MST Print View

Of everything presented above, I'm most "hopeful" for the prospect of that nanomolecular coating on down fibers actually working. Chemists seem savvy, but I can't wrap my head around the possibility that this may actually work. Like was said above, "it's fun to dream".

Still missing is an ultralight winter tent that can deal with heavy mountain blizzards and blizzard living/cooking. Ah well, maybe next year. Seems like the sweet spot for this one is still hovering around 5 lbs (Nallo GT) for 2 people and 4 lbs for one (Soula). As the market continues to mature, my fondness for what Hilleberg did many years ago grows.

Huzefa Siamwala
(huzefa)
Re: my *hopeful* list on 01/18/2012 12:27:10 MST Print View

Ryan, have you considered Warmlite 2C? It weighs 2.59 lb.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/18/2012 13:46:03 MST Print View

And where exactly are you going to cook inside the Warmlite ?

Damien Tougas
(dtougas) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Gaspé Peninsula
Re: Re: my *hopeful* list on 01/18/2012 13:52:11 MST Print View

I like having a floorless vestibule for cooking and gear storage. The Nallo has the edge over the Warmlite in this regard.

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/18/2012 15:10:02 MST Print View

The Zpacks tent is intriguing! Joe has a real penchant for affordable cuban shelters, and has an eye for design.

HMG's Traverse is MASSIVE, but their upcharge for cuben is the highest I've seen. Yes, they're known for overengineering their designs, so I have no doubt it'll be all-season worthy, but the $650 pricetag is hard to swallow on this one.

I'm looking forward to Ben Smith (Goosefeet) expanding his product range - he's known for quality, attention to detail, and affordability with the highest quality materials.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Bivy Sacks on 01/18/2012 21:06:12 MST Print View

Well I never heard of active sleepers destrying a bivy sack! Guess you can always learn something new. My 6.5 oz Equinox bivy is still going strong. To be fair I think its made of a bit heavier nylon. Or maybe I don't trash around as much.

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
OMG - down...(and why attack on Nunatak) on 01/19/2012 03:59:51 MST Print View

Interesting writeup Ryan (indeed somewhat of juxtaposition with the stagnation manifest)..

RE the down - you ruined my day...:) Im looking at new sleeping bags now but waiting for the new and improved wonder material in late 2012 will kill me...have you seen this in real life or is it in the lab still


also re fill power - there seems to be some sect targeting Nunatak's 950FP and general reputation - while Katabatic and Zpacks and goosefeet and PHD use 900+ FP and everyone adores them....
RE Tom's website text (875+ yada yada) its just outdated and knowing the little that i know about him he never bothered to change it.
(Disclaimer - I own some of Tom's stuff but am in no way affiliated)


***Not to be to blunt - but if you guys REALLY think that high FP is NOT the optimal fill why dont I see BPL notables pushing back to 750FP (or at least a more elaborate test and not just the somewhat anecdotal evidence that was presented in one of the threads)
I have seen high FP being pushed by ALL OF US for a few good years and everyone was happy - if you are claiming that there is an optimum that shouldnt be crossed then lets find it!!

Edited by mike_hefetz on 01/19/2012 04:12:22 MST.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
"Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear" on 01/19/2012 04:22:11 MST Print View

"And where exactly are you going to cook inside the Warmlite ?"

On the groundsheet. Obviously when i last did this, i died. ;)

The lack of porch is starting to annoy me with my 2R. It may go on the 'Gear Swap' after my Cuben Trailstar arrives.

Re Down. Probably all down above 750(EU) has been processed to gain the extra fill power. As long as you realise your 850 down will likely be 750 down after a few weeks, it isn't a problem. You could just buy 750 down, but that will end up lower too. If you are buying the highest fill power, then in theory you should at least be getting the highest quality.

I'm pretty sure i read of a European manufacturer experimenting with water-resistant down, but i can't remember the details.

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
Berghaus on 01/19/2012 07:59:58 MST Print View

http://uncooped.com/chris-weiss/posts/1506-water-resistant-down-could-be-a-miracle


MC

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
and what about Aerogel on 01/19/2012 08:07:38 MST Print View

while we are at it - has anyone put their hands on the zeroloft aerogel products from champion or shiver shield or what not?

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Bivy Sacks on 01/19/2012 08:19:04 MST Print View

"Well I never heard of active sleepers destrying a bivy sack! Guess you can always learn something new. "

Believe it or not, I have ripped a hole in an UL bivy sack from tossing and turning - right at one of the tie outs. But I am a klutz.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Bivvy tie-outs on 01/19/2012 08:23:04 MST Print View

Did you use elastic/bungy cord at the loops Dave?

Ron D
(dillonr) - MLife

Locale: Colorado
Water Resistant Down on 01/19/2012 09:19:16 MST Print View

Another article on water resistant down http://gearjunkie.com/hydrophobic-down-sleeping-bags?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thegearjunkie%2Fdd+%28The+Gear+Junkie+-+Daily+Dose%29

Anthony Weston
(anthonyweston) - MLife

Locale: Southern CA
Western Mountaineering XR jacket on 01/19/2012 09:21:19 MST Print View

I've been using the Western Mountaineering XR Flash jacket (breathable waterproof down jacket) and I really like it. It weighs 11oz and is waterproof. When I got it, I tried it on in the shower. I don't wear it hiking into camp but put it on when I get there. I tend to overheat when I'm packing in and I have not found any gear rain gear that breaths enough that I'm don't feel like I'm in a sauna. I use the Montbell Peak dri tec with extra large pit zips or just a quick drying shirt. The other problem I have is when I get into to camp I tend to freeze, my pilot light goes out, my body doesn't generate enough heat; blame it on an underactive thyroid but it's not going to stop me from getting out. The Western Mountaineering XR jacket helps. It's a pleasure to wear in the rain or wind around camp. The waterproof laminate makes it warmer than most 11oz jackets, maybe not for everyone but it works for me

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Bivvy tie-outs on 01/19/2012 09:45:52 MST Print View

"Did you use elastic/bungy cord at the loops Dave?"

No I didn't but the idea is brilliant.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Tie-outs on 01/19/2012 09:54:28 MST Print View

Any time i'm dealing with UL fabrics, i always use 'bungy' cord at atress points to spread the load. :)
Use a loop of bungy/shock cord at each corner of the bivvy, and stake that instead of the loops on the bivvy. A sleeping man can put a lot of stress on a tie-out when he turns in his sleep.

Edited by MikefaeDundee on 01/19/2012 09:59:25 MST.

jeff mchenry
(jeffm22) - M
Outdoor Retail Show on 01/19/2012 19:15:08 MST Print View

Great overview of some cool items. You mention the Outdoor Retail Show which I think starts this week. Are you guys doing you're normal coverage ? - I always enjoy your insights and look forward to the multiple days of articles.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Tie-outs on 01/19/2012 19:19:07 MST Print View

Thanks Mike!

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
water resistant down on 01/21/2012 11:53:43 MST Print View

Yeah, I want to know about the down also. If it works out al of my down stuff would be on the swap within a few days.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
Re: Re: Tie-outs on 01/21/2012 12:06:16 MST Print View

Just curious: why do folks stake out their bivy? I have the tie-outs on mine, but have never used them.

Christopher Yi
(TRAUMAhead) - F

Locale: Cen Cal
Re: Re: Re: Tie-outs on 01/21/2012 16:16:39 MST Print View

Only thing I can think of is if you're at a basecamp and you don't want it to blow away while you're gone.

Oliver Nissen
(olivernissen) - MLife

Locale: Yorkshire Dales
Re: water resistant down on 02/19/2012 06:11:09 MST Print View

Me too, please! Who else will be selling us 'hydrophobic down' products? I know about Berghaus and Kjus (the ski brand), I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't others.

William Ashley Hold
(ahold)

Locale: Cornwall
Hydrophobic down on 03/12/2012 09:02:22 MDT Print View

Regarding the hydrophobic down being discussed - I really hope that if this works there will be the opportunity to retro-proof our old gear rather than everyone shelling out for expensive new hydrophobic down gear- especially when down has a potentially long usable life.

Douglas Ray
(dirtbagclimber)

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Hydrophobic down on 03/12/2012 09:13:36 MDT Print View

MEC in Canada has sleeping bags available now. Anybody up to test one for us?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 04/04/2012 06:48:24 MDT Print View

I thought there would be more comments by now.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
SMD Skyscape tents on 05/05/2012 16:32:21 MDT Print View

I really admire Ron Moak's design (re-design?) of the tents in the Skyscape series. And he's got a Skyscape for just about every pocketbook and user, from Scouts to
UL backpackers.

The Skyscape X is the one I lust after with it's very low weight - to match its very high price. But it does show that combinming the familiar tarpers' aspects of a Cuben tarp, groundloth and full mosquito net gives a true tent that is lighter than the tarper's setup.

But being a silnylon TT Moment owner, and fonder still of that design, I TRULY lust after a Moment in a durable weight Cuben fabric.