Jetboil Hanging Stove System Promises Simplicity and Lightweight

Jetboil refines hanging system, preserves simplicity of component integration.

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by Ryan Jordan | 2007-01-26 21:37:00-07

Cooking with in-tent stove hanging systems is popular among high altitude mountaineers, but has also gained favor among the not-so-elite among us. While there is some paranoia about carbon monoxide poisoning (and the risk may certainly be real), the benefits of in-tent winter cooking are meaningful:

  • Cooking in your tent keeps your tent warm, even in subzero conditions.
  • Cooking in your tent allows you to take the time to rehydrate and get the nutrition you need while a storm may be raging outside.

The practice is generally not recommended for white gas stoves, because the incomplete combustion of white gas in cold conditions leads to excessive buildup of carbon monoxide in the tight, confined space of a tent. Well, that, and the fact that a white gas stove flareup can instill quite a lot of fear in you (and fire in your tent) when you're hanging out at 10,000 feet in the middle of a subzero winter night. Alcohol stoves are messy and prone to flareup in a tent, and are a rather risky proposition. Solid fuel, such as Esbit, should generally be avoided for in-tent cooking because burning them causes the accumulation of rather funky odors, and incomplete combustion may result in CO toxicity.

So, the general consensus, at least among the mountaineering community, is that in-tent cooking should be limited to cleaner-burning canister stoves in well-ventilated tents.

Markill and Bibler have set the standard for in-tent canister stove hanging kits, but they're heavy and bulky.

MSR entered the game a few years ago with a "titanium" hanging system consisting of a windscreen/heat exchanger and a set of wiry cables, the whole bit of which required quite a lot of finagling for setup and takedown, and virtually no easy means of placing and removing pots, an essential task for pouring water for your porridge or cocoa. And who among us really wants to tote a ladle?

When the Jetboil stove system was introduced a few years ago, I was skeptical about its general applicability for what we call "lightweight backpacking", simply because the entire system weighed at least twice as much as the very lightest stoves and pots available on the market. However, what "ultralight" systems failed to offer that the Jetboil delivered was significant: phenomenal fuel efficiency, simplicity, and component integration.

That's why I was pretty excited about converting my Jetboil system into a hanging kit for winter travel. After drilling holes, building cables, and rigging an ultralight carabiner setup, I promptly and proudly introduced my new Jetboil hanging system to Mount Rainier's Wonderland Trail on a November thru-hike that kept me tent bound, or raingear bound, but never in between. It was to be the perfect marriage of technology, home made gear, and application.

On my first night out, as the water began to boil and my design innovation began to mature, the whole system fell to the floor of my tent, and my quilt was soaked with boiling water. I completed the hike, but cooked outside - in the rain, snow, and wind - for the remainder of my walk.

Two months later, I visited Dwight Aspinwall of Jetboil at the Outdoor Retailer Winter Market, and asked him to develop a hanging kit. His reply was simple, rote, and expected: "they say you shouldn't cook in a tent" (who is they, exactly?) Then, I'm quite sure, I saw him wink, which gave me a hope for a new product in the future.

That was two years ago.

So after following the aroma of clam chowder and fresh coffee to the Jetboil booth at Backcountry Base Camp in Brighton today, I was pretty tickled to see a Jetboil stove hanging from a carabiner attached to the struts of their party tent.

For less than two ounces, you get a hanging kit that literally does disappear into the entire system for storage, is very simple to set up and put away, allows you to access your pot for pouring, and best of all, is very stable. Heck, it even works with a fry pan.

It's a polished, clean, and elegant design that proves that Dwight and the gang have been thinking about this for quite some time.

So, for 21 oz (the weight of the Jetboil Group Cooking System with 1.5L pot plus the weight of the hanging kit), you can have a simple, stable, easy, and effective hanging stove for cooking in your tent or snow cave. This is slightly heavier than the very lightest white gas or PowerMax stove kits, but some say there is a cost for comfort.

And if comfort for you is staying warm and dry while you prepare hot drinks, soup, and stroganoff within the confines of your shelter while Mother Nature exerts her tumultuous force on the other side of the fabric, then so be it, and check out the Jetboil hanging kit for your winter travels.


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Jetboil Hanging Stove System Promises Simplicity and Lightweight for In-Tent Cooking on 01/26/2007 21:37:03 MST Print View

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Mike Barney
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Locale: AZ, the Great Southwest!
Great solution for 99%? on 01/26/2007 22:20:11 MST Print View

I'm sure this is safer than existing in-tent cooking practices for the experienced, the common sense oriented and those who read and follow directions. Hopefully that's 99+% of the potential market space.
But...... I have to believe this is a liability magnet waiting to happen.
I gotta ask BD and the other lawyers in the crowd, when the head of the company comes out and says "you shouldn't cook in a tent", then provides a means to do so, is this a lawsuit waiting to happen or what?


Just curious,
MikeB

Greg Vaillancourt
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Locale: Utah
It is a hanging system, not an In-the-tent system. on 01/26/2007 22:53:40 MST Print View

Maybe a lot of Jetboil buyers are clumsy and they kick the stove over every time they use it? DOH!

Jetboil listens to customers and now makes a system to hang the stove from a tree branch. Now the same klutzes can bang their foreheads on pots of boiling water. DOH!

I'm sure it will be plastered with warning labels.

R K
(oiboyroi) - M

Locale: South West US
Re: Jetboil Hanging Stove System Promises Simplicity and Lightweight on 01/27/2007 00:31:38 MST Print View

Check out this article over at Psychovertical.com, it gives decent insight on how to make your own hanging system using a couple of pots, a canister stove and some piano wire.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
re:Jetboil Hanging Stove System on 01/27/2007 03:05:35 MST Print View

There is a simpler way. Drill two tiny holes 1 cm apart from each other, at 2, 6, and 10 o'clock of the top of the pot below the lid (assuming the pour spout is at what would be 12 o'clock). String picture hanging wire, a micro biner, and you're done. If you dont want to drill your only cup, extras are about $24.

This drilling/hanging system would work with any pot, I suppose, but the beauty of the jetboil system (explained for those who dont have one yet..) is that the burner is attached to the pot, and the flux ring keeps everything else cool during operation. In fact I regularly hold it in my hand and dispense hot water to fellow hikers as the water continues to heat.

I've tried several alcohol stoves, many esbit type setups, even a folding wood stove, and I still reach for the jetboil first. Typically on a day hike, I make rest stops, and the lunch stop, as short as possible to cover more ground. My fellow hikers and I appreciate the speed of the jetboil for getting a hot drink very quickly.

For 481 grams (minus the cozy) you have a pot, separate drink cup, lid, burner, fuel canister, and integrated windscreen (not including fuel weight or cozy) And it can be assembled and fired up in literally 15 seconds.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Re: re:Jetboil Hanging Stove System on 01/27/2007 20:15:39 MST Print View

Brett - this would work with the PCS because the PCS is attached to the stove, but it would not work the GCS because the pot is not attached, and the hang kit is a better component with the GCS because then the pot can be removed from the setup and poured. Pouring the PCS with the bails attached requires that the bails be dropped, or some careful pouring with the stove off.

b d
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Locale: Mt. Lassen - Shasta, N. Cal.
Re: Great solution for 99%? on 01/27/2007 20:53:39 MST Print View

Let's see ... I heard my initials called out, as above (fortunately not by Mr. Owl, old native american thing).

This not being legal advice, and none of you being my clients, and getting what you pay for ... here it is totally free:

Anything in this country can be used as the basis of a law suit nowadays, because all it costs is a coupla hundred bucks to file one -- and lots of people do, including without attorneys.

That is why, dreaded as it may be, that we have disclaimers on everything from common aspirin to the booklets that come with a brand new car or hotel entrances that state someone may have smoked in a room, sometime, in the unknown past.

IMO, not being anyone's lawyer here as far as I know -- you are responsible for what you do with the information here according to the disclaimers, common sense, and your own responsibility for yourself. And, if anyone were to sue BPL because of some boneheaded moves they made then I would volunteer and ask the CA Bar Assoc. to post an ad seeking volunteers to fight such suit.

Finally, given that law suits might be a concern to anyone then you should understand that in CA because of law suits against providers of recreational lands there is now a doctrine of "assumed risk" which more or less states that anyone who is injured while using lands for recreational purposes assumes the risk of using the land -- except in very egregious circumstances, and even then they will probably lose.

Thus, I would assume that the answer would be ... anything BPL prints is deemed or as stated in its disclaimers is subject to the dummies assumption of the risk of blowing their head off trying to light an in tent stove after leaving the gas on for 20 seconds or suffocating from cabon monoxide if they leave it on for a long time (whatever that is).

Other than that ... my dad who was a Green Beret used to say about a half century or more ago, when this country had a bit more beans in its pot ... "Davy (my nickname) your mother ("mamma") isn't here anymore" or "How does it feel to be between a rock and a hardplace". (Maybe I should have sued him for child abuse under the new politically correct philosophies and culture? -- it is all idiotic, I am sure Dr.RJ and BPL have lawyers pumping them full of info.) I wouldn't even bother with a hanging system, I would just put my SnowPeak Giga on the ground or my tent floor and use it, even running copper wire around it and holding it if I was hungry enough. If it needed warming then I would put it on my GossamerGear pad or TorsoLite and use it. Otherwise, I would buy whatever Dr.J says is good and if I die or am injured I will assume it is my operator error and that it is my responsibility.

Uggh.

Sorry, but I am so tired of the bs around common sense and responsibility anymore in our legal system. Like gag me with a spork and a new Suunto wrist computer. (PS: I am not railing on your post Mike B., in any way, this is not about your post. In fact, ask yourself if someone sees your avatar with a label that indicates you can cook in a papercup, could that be the basis of a suit? Who knows anymore is I think the best answer, but then what happens to our Constitutional rights to assemble in peace and to speak? I am sick of the fear that bad lawyers have created in people ... and that the courts, me and all the other lawyers have to live with.) bd

PS Mike B.: Do you really cook in a paper cup?

Edited by bdavis on 01/27/2007 21:50:13 MST.

Mike Barney
(eaglemb) - F

Locale: AZ, the Great Southwest!
Re: Re: Great solution for 99%? on 01/28/2007 09:50:00 MST Print View

Hey BD, good reply, probably worth double what I paid for it;)

(Circa 1960's rural Texas Camporee) one of the objectives was to boil an egg in a paper cup with your entire patrol up in a tree It works pretty well (assuming the tree is big enough for your whole patrol, it's the right kind of tree, it's not dry, everyone has good balance, etc) The paper won't burn until it reaches 451F, but the water keeps it @ 212F or below. Can't see BSA sanctioning this today.

Flash forward, recent backpack trip, someone forgot their cookware, so we had them heat water in a paper cup. They are significantly lighter than Al or Ti, but typically only good for 1 maybe 2 uses, as the top of the cup not in contact with the water usually burns.
Try this at your own risk, close cover before striking, your mileage may vary.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
re:Jetboil Hanging Stove System on 01/28/2007 10:31:32 MST Print View

Thanks for explaining, Ryan. I intend on getting the group boil system since I usually hike in groups now and carry the groups only iso/butane stove. Instead of drilling that new larger pot the hanging system would protect that investment.

Douglas Frick
(Otter) - MLife

Locale: Wyoming
Re: It is a hanging system, not an In-the-tent system. on 01/30/2007 21:58:19 MST Print View

>Jetboil listens to customers and now makes a system to hang the stove from a tree branch.



Now that it doesn't have to stand on the canister, what would it take to convert it to a liquid-feed stove?